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Mary, Mother of God
The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer

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To: ealgeone
I have learned redefining words is a hallmark of roman catholicism.


 

said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

1,201 posted on 01/07/2016 8:24:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Jesus was Mary's First Born.

Heretic Prot!!!

Don't you KNOW that means ONLY born?

How dumb ARE you???

1,202 posted on 01/07/2016 8:26:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Entering into that covenant with him and vowing to him to be his wife when she already had made a previous vow, would make her an adulterer. a woman who deprives her husband; which is something Scripture warns against...


1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent...

1,203 posted on 01/07/2016 8:29:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Puerile response. Is that all you've got?

Yeah; it is.

NO response is being over used in this thread.

1,204 posted on 01/07/2016 8:30:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; Arthur McGowan

Yeah, I saw that post. I choose not to get involved in that conversation.

I do not believe that God died on the cross in the sense that He ceased to exist.

But I think the question can be raised whether God tasted death. That is, are the three persons of the Trinity so closely united one to another, that when Jesus experienced the condition of death, i.e., the separation of His body from His soul, did the Father and the Holy Spirit fully share in that experience? Or, because the Father and Holy Spirit are not in the flesh, is it only the incarnate Jesus that experienced this condition?


1,205 posted on 01/07/2016 8:31:42 AM PST by rwa265
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To: metmom

Thank you for your patience with my inquiry. I now understand how you have come to believe as you do, and will no longer pester you about it.


1,206 posted on 01/07/2016 8:32:05 AM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265

Thank you.


1,207 posted on 01/07/2016 8:35:39 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265
That is, are the three persons of the Trinity so closely united one to another, that when Jesus experienced the condition of death, i.e., the separation of His body from His soul, did the Father and the Holy Spirit fully share in that experience? Or, because the Father and Holy Spirit are not in the flesh, is it only the incarnate Jesus that experienced this condition?

I don't know that I've ever seen that addressed in Scripture.

I guess that will be filed in my *Ask God when I die and see Him* category.

1,208 posted on 01/07/2016 8:37:40 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265
The Scriptures tell us that God took a physical body, prepared a body for The Son, so that The Son could 'taste death for all men'. The Spirit cannot 'taste death' because it is not in the same coordinate system as the body, or the soul. The separation of body and soul is something unique to physical beings in our sensory coordinate system.

That said, there is a type of 'death' which Jesus recognized and hinted at with His disciples. Recall the story of the young man who came to Jesus asking what 'else' he could do to inherit eternal life. Jesus told His disciples to let the 'dead' go bury the dead, when the young man turned away from following Jesus. The state of the human spirit is 'dead' without God-life in it. The young man could walk away a walking dead man because his spirit was in the state of 'dead'. Being born from above changes that state of 'dead' in the spirit, to alive, by The Grace of God in Christ.

1,209 posted on 01/07/2016 8:40:40 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: metmom; MHGinTN
Additionally, if she had indeed made a vow of perpetual virginity to the Holy Spirit, then how did she and could she justifying entering into a marriage covenant with Joseph?

Note that actually her father or husband would clearly have the binding or loosing say so in such a case, (Num 30) to which party Caths give no credit to (though Mary's consent to God is used to make her co-redeemer), while a marriage of leaving but not sexually cleaving is contrary to the original description of marriage and which the Lord Himself affirmed

And which purpose is an argument against homosexual marriage, and not intending to ever procreate even could be grounds for RC annulment.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (Genesis 2:24)

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Matthew 19:4-6)

1,210 posted on 01/07/2016 9:24:29 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

What do you believe, Elsie? Is Mary the mother of God whole and entire, or is Mary only the mother of Jesus, who is the incarnate Son of God?


1,211 posted on 01/07/2016 9:43:31 AM PST by rwa265
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To: ealgeone
Good post with appropriate scriptures for back up.

This scripture jumped out to my mind

Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.
1 Corinthians 4:6
as an excellent answer to the statement "Jesus doesn't say, 'Just keep repeating EXACTLY the words and phrases that I spoke to you'"

And of course Jesus didn't say EXACTLY that to us, but made it clear to repeat His words to others so they may receive salvation and edification.

What He did NOT say was to vainly repeat "prayers" or extra-Biblical prayers writtings which greatly exceed that which was written and instructed by the Holy Spirit of God.

Notice how arrogance follows going against the Word of God.

Helps to understand the anger and hate that flies off of some keyboards when scripture and Biblical principles are expressed by Christians here to refute the false teachings of men.

1,212 posted on 01/07/2016 10:06:30 AM PST by Syncro (James 1-8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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To: verga; Syncro
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>>”Mormons are intelligent enough to know that Jesus did begin the Catholic Church” <<

Balderdash!

Nothing in Gods word says that Yeshua founded anything but his assembly, which began with Adams godly seed, and has no pope.

Its name, as per the word, is Israel.

Yeshua stated plainly and unequivocally in Matthew 15:24

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

There is not a word about a “Universal Church” as a physical corporate body anywhere in the Bible.
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1,213 posted on 01/07/2016 10:12:50 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The Greek and the context of the NT disagrees with your assertions on Mary’s perpetual virginity.


1,214 posted on 01/07/2016 10:23:29 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: rwa265

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Nothing in the word of God says that “there are three persons of the Trinity.”

The word tells us that there are the Father and the Son, and that they are one. They have an eternal, everlasting life, which is their omnipresent Spirit.

Because their spirit is set apart from all other spirits, it is called “Holy” which means set apart.

If you wish to declare me wrong on this, please do show me where the word of God says that God is three persons. (scripture reference required)
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1,215 posted on 01/07/2016 10:23:46 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: terycarl
I noticed you did not answer my question. But you did offer this for distraction:
They teach it in Catholic schools. What is it if someone kneels in front of a statue?

In your picture, the kneeler is also a statue....indicating that the real person was kneeling before another real person....see how easy common sense is??

1,125 posted on 1/6/2016, 7:54:22 PM by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
So you accept that as real and OK for Catholics to do?

Bow down to and pray to a woman who has passed on and venerated to the status of an idol like the golden calf?

It's good to teach children to do that in your view?

No one can be in the presence of Mary so it is a made up scene to deceive children and get them to follow Catholicism instead of Jesus.

Oh and is it common sense to type common sense in this manner? COMMOn SENSE?

Thought I would throw that in so you can comment on it and ignore the Truths presented to you as is your style.

I have a tagline also, take it personally if you like but do take it to heart.

The Bible says to meditate on God's Word, maybe do that on James 1:8

1,216 posted on 01/07/2016 10:39:19 AM PST by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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To: editor-surveyor

I do not wish to get into a discussion with you on this. You are correct that Scripture neither includes the word Trinity nor teaches the Trinitarian doctrine. There is substantial material in Scripture on which to build the doctrine of the Trinity. Believe or not believe as you wish.

Peace,
Rich


1,217 posted on 01/07/2016 10:48:52 AM PST by rwa265
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To: verga; editor-surveyor
To: editor-surveyor; Syncro
Catholics have only existed since Constantine invented them in 364 AD.

You want to know what is really funny, is that even with all their crazy ideas the Mormons are intelligent enough to know that Jesus did begin the Catholic Church with Peter as the first Pope. They just think it went off the rails with the "Great apostasy".

Well score one for the LDS.

Source text and origin or link please as per the guidelines of the Religion Forum

Doesn't surprise me in the least that you would use something from a cult to "prove" Catholicism.

Satan is the father of lies.

If you believe in Mormonism, do you know that you can have your own planet with hundreds of wives to populate it?

1,218 posted on 01/07/2016 11:15:12 AM PST by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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To: Syncro; verga

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Kind of Islamic, isn’t it!


1,219 posted on 01/07/2016 11:36:29 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well Catholicism decrees that Catholics worship the god of Islam, same god they have so the directive says.


1,220 posted on 01/07/2016 11:57:24 AM PST by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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