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To: IrishBrigade

“You are aware that the NCR absolutly loves and reveres the current pope...”

Do they love him when he makes a pro-life statement? They don’t actually love. They simply love when he says something they agree with or can twist to sound like they agree.

“and the Novus Ordo church as it exists today; hardly schismatic behavior...”

More than 40 years ago the NCR was told to stop calling itself “Catholic” by the ordinary. They refused. Hardly schismatic behavior?

“what they dissent from is the theology taught prior to 1964, as the Church itself did with its repudiation of those traditional values...”

Actually, what they dissent from is reason and truth itself - not just about the Faith, but about many things. They are a schismatic publication.

“If you had parsed properly, you’d have realized that by my statement, I do as well...but I reject the modernity that the Novus Ordo church has deliberately foisted on us, as it was a blatant attempt to remediate distinctions with dissenters from the preconciliar Church..”

If “do as well” then stop referring to the “Novus Ordo church”. There’s just the Church. There is no “Novus Ordo church”. We can say that there are Catholics who are far from perfect (terrible, in fact) but we can’t logically say that there is another “church” that has replaced THE Church. That is a logical and theological impossibility. That’s how a schismatic would think, not a loyal Catholic.


18 posted on 12/29/2015 8:35:46 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998; IrishBrigade

‘’Novus Ordo church’’. There-s just the Church. There is no ‘’Novus Ordo church’’.
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Have either of you considered that the “Second Vatican Council” was actually a sweeping motion of schism which effectively did create a false church which one may term the ‘’Novus Ordo church’’?

Perhaps the schism was the council itself with those who subsequently have promoted it acting as heretics, ignoring tradition and embracing novelty, against Christ’s wishes!

That would leave as faithful, those who continue the traditional Latin Mass in the form prior to such schism.


19 posted on 12/29/2015 8:58:25 AM PST by Repent and Believe (Heretics and apostates are not members of the church - paraphrase from Pius XII, Mystici Corporis)
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