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The Old Testament: Was Israel Commanded to Commit Genocide?
CRI ^ | By: Paul Copan and Matthew Flannagan

Posted on 11/20/2015 1:24:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Have you ever been in a discussion with a skeptic about God and morality? Perhaps you've admirably made the case that God's good character is the basis for human dignity and worth. Maybe you've shown how objective moral values and duties can't be explained naturalistically. Then someone takes the wind out of your sails by asking, "Well, if God is so good, why would He command Israel to engage in ethnic cleansing and genocidal warfare against the Canaanites? After all, doesn't Deuteronomy 20:16-17 plainly state this? 'Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them…as the Lord your God has commanded you.'"1 No matter how strongly the believer makes the case for the God-morality connection, this good argument can become overshadowed by the Canaanite question.

So what do we do? By all means, stick with the argument of how God's existence makes better sense of a moral world in which intrinsically valuable persons exist! Yet we should be prepared to address this "genocide" question, which has gotten a lot more press since 9/11. "Religious radicalism" has emboldened New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, who attack "the God of the Old Testament." In our own experience, the Canaanite question is emerging with increasing frequency, and we will point out key response points.

First, we should avoid using the misleading statement "taking the Bible literally." We don't (and shouldn't) always take it literally. We should always take it literarily. That is, we should treat the Bible's types of literature (genres)--poetry, historical narrative, apocalypse, prophecy, parable--as they were intended to be interpreted. We can't apply a one size-fits-all approach to each of them. This is particularly important for interpreting the Old Testament's war texts properly--in their ancient Near Eastern setting.

Second, the sweeping language of these warfare texts such as Joshua (as well as Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15) occurs in highly figurative, hyperbolic accounts--quite common in the ancient Near East. This kind of "utterly destroyed" bravado was common in ancient Near Eastern war texts. Biblical scholars and archaeologists (e.g., K. Lawson Younger, Kenneth Kitchen) have recognized the pervasive use of hyperbolic language--"boasting" about "total destruction"--in ancient Near Eastern warfare literature. Victories were often described hyperbolically in terms of total conquest, complete annihilation, and destruction of the enemy, killing everyone and leaving no survivors. One Moabite king wrote of his defeat of Israel, "Israel is no more." The knowing ancient Near Eastern reader recognized that this was massive hyperbole, and the accounts were not understood to be literally true. This language was like a basketball team saying of their opponents, "We totally slaughtered them!"

Third, the contrast between "utterly destroying" and leaving ample survivors is fairly obvious. In the biblical canon, Joshua is connected not only to Judges 1-2 (where lots of Canaanite survivors remain alive after Joshua "left no survivors"!), but also to Numbers and Deuteronomy. And Judges reveals that this widespread killing never literally happened, since there were swarms of Canaanites remaining. Even within Joshua we read, "There were no Anakim left in the land" (11:22); they were "utterly destroyed" in the hill country (11:21). Yet later in Joshua, Caleb asked permission to drive out the Anakites from the hill country (14:12-15; cf. 15:13-19). Joshua's military campaign in Canaan simply wasn't a territorial conquest, but a series of disabling raids.

In Numbers 31 (after Midianite women had intentionally seduced the men of Israel), we're told, "[Israel] fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man" (NIV, emphasis added). If literally true, why do we see Midianite multitudes in Judges 6:5? They were "like swarms of locusts. It was impossible to count them or their camels" (6:5 NIV). Also, the language is exaggerated in that every Midianite man was killed without a single Israelite fatality (Num. 31:50).

In 1 Samuel 15, Saul was commanded to "utterly destroy" the Amalekites. Stereotypical sweeping language was used: "Put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey" (15:3). On a literal reading, Saul carried this out--except for King Agag, who would meet his doom through the prophet Samuel (vv.7-9, 33). Yet this didn't literally happen; the Amalekites were far from destroyed.

Exaggerated language is abundant. For instance, Saul's army was numbered at 210,000--far larger than any army of antiquity. This was common in ancient Near Eastern war texts. In 1 Samuel 27:8-9, the same sweeping language of Chapter 15 is used: all Amalekites were wiped out--again! We're told David invaded a territory full of Amalekites--the same territory covered by Saul. (Shur is near Egypt and Havilah is in Saudi Arabia--an area far too wide for Saul's army to cover.) So, 1 Samuel 15 and 27 cannot both be literally true. What's more, in 1 Samuel 30, a large Amalekite army attacked Ziklag (v. 1), and David pursued this army and fought a long battle with them, with four hundred Amalekites fleeing (1 Sam. 30:7-17). That's not all: the Amalekites were even around during the reign of Hezekiah (1 Chron. 4:43).

So here's the question: Why is it that virtually every time a narration of "genocide" occurs, it is followed by an account that presupposes it did not happen? Scripture took shape, and the Old Testament canon was formed. The final compiler or editor--who was certainly not mindless--saw no problem with side-by-side affirmations of "total destruction" and many surviving hostiles. He didn't assume both to be literally true.

Fourth, the dominant language of "driving out" and "thrusting out" the Canaanites indicates further that "extermination" passages are hyperbolic (cf. Exod. 23:28; Lev. 18:24; Num. 33:52: Deut. 6:19; 7:1; 9:4; 18:12; Josh. 10:28, 30, 32, 35, 37, 39; 11:11, 14). Israel was to "dispossess" the Canaanites of their land (Num. 21:32; Deut. 9:1; 11:23; 18:14; 19:1). Just as Adam and Eve were "driven out" of the garden (Gen. 3:24), or Cain into the wilderness (4:14), or David from Israel by Saul (1 Sam. 26:19), so the Israelites were to "dispos- sess" the Canaanites. "Driving out" or "dispossessing" is different from "wiping out" or "destroying." Clearly, utter annihilation was not intended; you can't both drive out and destroy.

Fifth, the biblical language of the Canaanite "destruction" is identical to that of Judah's destruction in the Babylonian exile--clearly not utter annihilation or even genocide. Indeed, God threatened to "vomit" out Israel from the land just as he had vomited out the Canaanites (Lev. 18:25, 28; 20:22). In the Babylonian invasion of Judah (sixth-century BC), God threatened to "lay waste the towns of Judah so no one can live there" (Jer. 9:11 NIV). Indeed, God said, "I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin" (Jer. 25:9 NIV). God "threatened to stretch out My hand against you and destroy you" (Jer. 15:6; cf. Ezek. 5:16)--to bring "disaster" against Judah (Jer. 6:19). The biblical text, supported by archaeological discovery, suggests that while Judah's political and religious structures were ruined and that Judahites died in the conflict, the urban elite were deported to Babylon while many "poor of the land" remained behind to inhabit the towns of Judah. Clearly, Judah's being "completely destroyed" and made an "everlasting ruin" (Jer. 25:9) was a significant literary exaggeration--which reinforces our point about the Canaanite "destruction."

Sixth, "Joshua obeyed all that Moses commanded" (Josh. 9:24; 11:12), and yet Joshua left many survivors. It only follows, then, that in Deuteronomy 20 Moses did not literally intend for no survivors to be left.

Why should the critic take the passage in Deuteronomy literally but not the passages in Joshua? If he took the latter literally it would be easier for him to see that in context the former is using hyperbole and should not be taken literally.


TOPICS: History; Judaism; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: atheism; canaanites; genocide; israel; lookwhohatesjews; sectarianturmoil
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To: demshateGod

RE: This author is a postmodernist. His analysis is garbage.

Can you elaborate please? The above post as it stands is not very helpful.


21 posted on 11/20/2015 1:52:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

bfl


22 posted on 11/20/2015 1:53:37 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: sparklite2

The Old Testament, if written in a modern language and style would be an action packed thriller that would be banned from most countries for being too violent.


23 posted on 11/20/2015 1:54:04 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I had student debt. It came from a bank. Not from the Govt.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Make no mistake about this...
The bible is clear that God wanted them to kill all of them.
Yes... He commanded genocide... and Israel did not comply.

However... here’s the thing most don’t understand;

Those tribes God commanded to be killed were literally not human.

They were Nephillum.


24 posted on 11/20/2015 1:54:48 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: El Cid

Well stated El Cid.

God of all creation and Christ his Son whom he put in control of all creation be praised for His infinite and eternal wisdom.


25 posted on 11/20/2015 1:59:13 PM PST by reviled downesdad (Mother Teresa on abortion: "It's poverty that children must die so people can live as they choose")
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To: Safrguns

The Amalekites were Nephilim too?

God ( through the Prophet Samuel ) told King Saul to wipe them out.

These could not have been Nephilim. They were the descendants of Esau, the brother of Jacob ( AKA Israel ).


26 posted on 11/20/2015 1:59:15 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Why would I bother?


27 posted on 11/20/2015 2:02:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Right. God is not a liberal when it comes to good and evil.


28 posted on 11/20/2015 2:09:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: KC_Lion

29 posted on 11/20/2015 2:09:44 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has and does condemn each of us, billions of us, to a worldly death. We call it a “lifetime”, and accept it. If you believe in the Bible, then you believe that these wars were also carried out by His will and command. You should likewise accept it. Resistance to that command was severely punished. If you don’t believe, then you shouldn’t object to what you consider a work of fiction.


30 posted on 11/20/2015 2:10:45 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: SeekAndFind

>>> The Amalekites were Nephilim too? These could not have been Nephilim. They were the descendants of Esau, the brother of Jacob ( AKA Israel ).

The whole idea behind the existence of nephillum was Satan’s plan to corrupt the human genome. Some, even many of the Amalekites could have appeared very human and yet they carried the nephillum gene. It would not matter who they were decendedants of.

If God said to wipe them out, then that is why.


31 posted on 11/20/2015 2:14:03 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Fai Mao

Well, God said leave none of them alive and don’t take any of their stuff. He didn’t want the Jews falling in love with them and intermarrying. Of course, they didn’t obey and intermarried and pretty soon were building pagan idols.


32 posted on 11/20/2015 2:32:08 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: SeekAndFind
We don't (and shouldn't) always take it literally.

Nonsense. We don't need to make excuses for the Almighty as some want to apply their 'morality' to the Always Righteous One. He commanded Israel to annihilate the nations in Canaan. All of them, 100%.
33 posted on 11/20/2015 2:41:34 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

RE: We don’t (and shouldn’t) always take it literally.

I think the author has the right idea. Not everything in the Bible should be taken literally. Some have to be taken figuratively ( and I don’t think the author is referring to the slaughter of the Canaanites as figurative).

Many of Jesus’ sayings are clearly figurative (e.g., He is the door, He is the vine, we are the branches, etc. ).


34 posted on 11/20/2015 2:47:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Always remember this is never a question of God’s justice only one of mercy. Eventually God says enough is enough. As we are all sinner God’s orders were just. It also should be born in mind that part of the reason for the wandering in the wilderness is that the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full. God gave them a whole generation (40 years) to repent. Eventually God says enough is enough and its his universe not ours. The moral of the story is if you run across the people who have been wandering in the desert for 40 years fed and watered miraculously, who defeated the Egyptian army miraculously; who are led by a pillar of cloud or fire. It might be time find a good real estate agent. These events didn’t happen in a vacuum.


35 posted on 11/20/2015 2:49:40 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Vermont Lt
The Old Testament, if written in a modern language and style would be an action packed thriller that would be banned from most countries for being too violent.


36 posted on 11/20/2015 3:29:45 PM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:21)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who speaks English should not confuses figures of speech with metaphors. The Bible is not merely a book of metaphors. It is literal literature that uses figures of speech.

The author is on dangerous ground and does not know it.


37 posted on 11/20/2015 3:44:41 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: SeekAndFind

No the Amalekites were not Nephalim. But the book of Ester is the resolution of the descendants of Agag and the descendants of Saul.


38 posted on 11/20/2015 4:07:53 PM PST by D Rider
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To: SeekAndFind

The issue is not about taking the bible literally, it’s about taking it seriously. The Author does not appear to take the Bible seriously.


39 posted on 11/20/2015 4:10:50 PM PST by D Rider
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To: SeekAndFind

“in highly figurative, hyperbolic accounts—quite common in the ancient Near East.”

The Holy Spirit doesn’t know the difference between hyperbole and bravado and an accurate account of what happened? The author of this piece doesn’t accept that possibility. Instead they deconstruct the author’s text, assuming he was just a product of his time and place.

The first chapter of Judges 2 makes no sense if God didn’t intend absolute annihilation.


40 posted on 11/20/2015 4:33:53 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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