Posted on 10/24/2015 9:52:17 AM PDT by Salvation
I'm content with your dismissal of them.
I compliment you on the progress. Where you once wrote believer (post 103). you have changed that here to sinner, as appropriate with the passage in Ezekiel.
It seems to me to be hypocritical to profess a premillenial rapture followed by a literal thousand year kingdom on earth, while calling a plain reading of Ezekiel a hyper literalist approach.
The Messiah was the source of truth. We can rely on what he said.
We see the apostles, especially Peter doing such in Acts.
Actually what we see the apostles, especially Peter doing is speaking by the Spirit of God. That in itself is scripture, and we can rely on their exegesis as inspired by the Holy Spirit.
What did Nicodemus know well? The law, prophets and writings.
He knew that Ezekiel referred to the house of Israel.
Where do we see in the OT references to God purifying sinners, and indwelling them with His Spirit? Ezekiel 36.
Israel
Yes Isaiah and Jeremiah are other references as well.
And they, unlike Ezekiel, are explicitly mentioned in the New Testament ...
However, given the original discussion Ezekiel 36 addressed: cleansing, indwelling, change of heart and causing one to walk in God's statutes. All of which are "characteristics" of born again, born from above.
Your portion of Ezekiel is addressed to the house of Israel and is not mentioned in the New Testament books, except perhaps in Romans, and only in reference to the pollution of the name of the LORD. There are multiple references in the prophets so that is perhaps why the author did not mention the source(s). In any case, it is dealing with the house of Israel. For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed. Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Isaiah, Catholic chapter forty eight, Protestant verse eleven,
Ezekiel, Catholic chapter twenty, Protestant verse twenty two,
Ezekiel, Catholic chapter thirty six, Protestant verses twenty to twenty three,
Romans, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verse twenty four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
bold emphasis mine
oh please...get ral
Of course they do...they have bread and wine/grape juice. as their Lord's supper....Catholics have the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Himself in their re enactment which is what Christ Himself prescribed.
Right!!...if we accept, by our behavior, His gift....we can, of course, reject it.......many do.
That’s because these things are spiritually present always, and remembered in the evangelical commemoration, and the Lord comes near. To illustrate: I might feel very welcome to a birthday party thrown in remembrance of me, but might not be so happy if they started saying the birthday cake and punch was me.
Purgatory by chance????
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LOL ... showing cluelessness isn’t so sharp ...
"the birthday cake and punch was me"....
you're right, I'm clueless as to what the hell you are talking about.
Temporal. We clearly "own" the situations or suffer the consequences here on earth for our disobedience or transgressions. And I mean sins we repent. Case in point is David and Bathsheba.
God is faithful to forgive. God is faithful to lead us to repentance. God is Good.
I’m so sorry! Please forgive my presumption on your IQ. I should not have attributed to you that which you are proud to lack. Please, have a pleasant evening and forget my post to you.
Which is not what Christ Himself prescribed, thus the kosher Jews understood it as they did David's words in saying that water was the blood of men, and thus poured it out unto the Lord.
And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Beth–lehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Beth–lehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men. (2 Samuel 23:15-17)
And thus there is absolutely no priest in the NT church even dispensing bread as part of his ordained duties, let along as a sacrifice for sin and nourishing souls. as instead they are charged with preaching the word which only is said to do so in the NT. (Acts 20:28.32; 1Tim. 4:6)
What Catholicism believes is closer to the cannibalism of pagans, for supposing one gains spiritual life by literally eating human flesh and blood is akin to pagan endocannibalism, and is not Scriptural and the Scriptural gospel.
Alpers and Lindenbaum’s research conclusively demonstrated that kuru [neurological disorder] spread easily and rapidly in the Fore people due to their endocannibalistic funeral practices, in which relatives consumed the bodies of the deceased to return the “life force†of the deceased to the hamlet, a Fore societal subunit. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_%...9#Transmission
he custom of eating bread sacramentally as the body of a god was practised by the Aztecs before the discovery and conquest of Mexico by the Spaniards."
The May ceremony is thus described by the historian Acosta: “The Mexicans in the month of May made their principal feast to their god Vitzilipuztli, and two days before this feast, the virgins whereof I have spoken (the which were shut up and secluded in the same temple and were as it were religious women) did mingle a quantity of the seed of beets with roasted maize, and then they did mould it with honey, making an idol...all the virgins came out of their convent, bringing pieces of paste compounded of beets and roasted maize, which was of the same paste whereof their idol was made and compounded, and they were of the fashion of great bones. They delivered them to the young men, who carried them up and laid them at the idol’s feet, wherewith they filled the whole place that it could receive no more. They called these morsels of paste the flesh and bones of Vitzilipuztli.
...then putting themselves in order about those morsels and pieces of paste, they used certain ceremonies with singing and dancing. By means whereof they were blessed and consecrated for the flesh and bones of this idol. This ceremony and blessing (whereby they were taken for the flesh and bones of the idol) being ended, they honoured those pieces in the same sort as their god....then putting themselves in order about those morsels and pieces of paste, they used certain ceremonies with singing and dancing. By means whereof they were blessed and consecrated for the flesh and bones of this idol. This ceremony and blessing (whereby they were taken for the flesh and bones of the idol) being ended, they honoured those pieces in the same sort as their god...
And this should be eaten at the point of day, and they should drink no water nor any other thing till after noon: they held it for an ill sign, yea, for sacrilege to do the contrary:...and then they gave them to the people in manner of a communion, beginning with the greater, and continuing unto the rest, both men, women, and little children, who received it with such tears, fear, and reverence as it was an admirable thing, saying that they did eat the flesh and bones of God, where-with they were grieved. Such as had any sick folks demanded thereof for them, and carried it with great reverence and veneration.â€
...They believed that by consecrating bread their priests could turn it into the very body of their god, so that all who thereupon partook of the consecrated bread entered into a mystic communion with the deity by receiving a portion of his divine substance into themselves.
The doctrine of transubstantiation, or the magical conversion of bread into flesh, was also familiar to the Aryans of ancient India long before the spread and even the rise of Christianity. The Brahmans taught that the rice-cakes offered in sacrifice were substitutes for human beings, and that they were actually converted into the real bodies of men by the manipulation of the priest.
...At the festival of the winter solstice in December the Aztecs killed their god Huitzilopochtli in effigy first and ate him afterwards. - http://www.bartleby.com/196/121.html
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