Now Gog and Mr. Magog are a different matter altogether.
Posted on 10/01/2015 3:09:35 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
To all who have any discernment,we are currently witnessing the diminishment of the 70 year US sphere of influence in the Middle East.
I cringed as I witnessed the spectacle of Vladimir Putin’s U.N. speech excoriating the western nations for ignoring international law, dis-embowling Libya, Syria and creating ISIS through our meddling in the Middle East.
Putin is a supporter of embattled Syrian President Bashir Assad. He has committed Russian ground troops, tanks, ships and an air strike force to defend Assad. Putin is also an ally of the terrorist Iranian regime. They too have poured troops into Syria to defend Assad and are currently fighting to defend the beleaguered Assad regime.
It is obvious that Putin is exploiting the Sunni/Shiite rift in Islam, taking the side of the Shiites, and developing a Shiite alliance, armed and trained by Russia. The goal is a Shiite crescent from Syria all the way to the Caucasus
On the other hand, Obama and the West have long been supporters of the Sunni, which are 80 percent of the Muslim world. The Saudi’s have virtually bribed, blackmailed or out right purchased the leadership of the Western world, including America. At their bidding the US has spilled much blood and spent much treasure to try to ensure an order in the Middle East to keep the oil flowing.
Sunnis and Shiites hate each other even more than they hate and fear anyone else.
The center point of the Obama foreign policy has been the so-called “Arab Spring”. Coming out of his “post colonial ” worldview,(i.e. that the West has gained at the expense of the third world, and that therefore Western gains must be reversed), Obama has undermined the former secular, pragmatic , and admittedly harsh governments of the post WW2 Middle East.
I wouldn’t want to live under a Mubarak(Egypt) or a Qadhafi(Libya) or even under a Saddam Hussein(Iraq). They were tyrants indeed, but they had to be harsh to hold back even more savage forces, which they knew well, in their own lands. None of the above had an official policy to persecute Christians. But the ones who are currently filling the void left by these undermined leaders do indeed practice genocide against Christians!
Bashir Assad is one of those “old order ” leaders. He does indeed have blood on his hands, and is the current subject of the bloody “Arab Spring” uprising. Obama wants him out of power, and the West has funded, trained and financed several Sunni armies to oust him.
One of the more vicious of these US funded groups, turned their attention from ousting Assad to carving out for themselves an area between parts of the embattled Syria and the hastily abandoned Iraq, to deform ISIS. (The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria).They are unleashing a reign of terror throughout the world that hasn’t been seen since the Nazis or Stalin.
Under much pressure from world opinion,the Obama administration has waged a very limited, feckless, and pinprick war to “degrade” ISIS’s capacity.
Vladimir Putin surprised the whole world, on the day after his UN speech, by unleashing fierce airstrikes against ISIS Targets, warning US aircraft to “Stay out-of-the-way”. One Syrian foreign minister said two days of Putin’s airstrikes have accomplished more than a year of the US effort to “degrade” ISIS.
These bold actions by Putin would have been inconceivable even in the days of the George W Bush administration. He senses the weak, ineffective resolve of the World’s former superpower, and is saying “Get out of our way, you have had your chance, let us show you how this terrorism is dealt with“.
Putin’s air force will not be hampered by the suicidal rules of engagement American forces have been tethered to.
But Putin isn’t just trying to take out ISIS, (the vicious Frankenstein we created and armed). Putin is out to defend Assad, therefore he is also taking out CIA backed rebel bases. In any other time this would be regarded as an act of war by an enemy.
The coalition Putin is assembling and arming is similar to the end times coalition spoken of by Ezekiel the Prophet that will come against Israel in the last days. It includes Turkey, (Meshech and Tubal,Gomer, Togarmah ), Iran(Persia) Somalia and Sudan(Ethiopia) Libya and parts of North Africa.
And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.(Ezekiel 38:1-7)
The individual addressed, Gog, has assembled a confederacy to come down into the Land of Israel to take a spoil. When God says “Be thou Prepared and prepare for thyself…” it is literally “Be thou an Armorer unto them and to thyself”.
America is not mentioned as a factor in the last days prophecies. We could currently be seeing her demise in influence. Two anecdotes illustrate this;
This is from a transcript of the Rush Limbaugh Show; White House Has Priorities in Order
“RUSH: What do we get from the White House? “The White House is reaching out to the transgender community for a list of things that its members want as they follow their lifestyle choices.”
Well, it’s obvious here, ladies and gentlemen, this White House has their priorities in order. “The initiative was launched with the help of White House Chief Data Scientist DJ Patil, who expressed concern that there is very little data of what the transgender community needs from the government.” Why does the transgender community need anything from the government? I mean, why does anybody need — I mean, like this, places to pee?”
More ominously, there is this article, US UN Delegates Refuse To Applaud Israel In a profoundly moving speech Benjamin Netanyahu confronted the UN on it’s silence in the face of Iranian promises to destroy Israel. But the US delegation distinguished itself by refusing to applaud. Samantha Powers walked out of the speech.
What is the reason for America’s astonishing blessings anyway? I would say it is the blessing of God.
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.(Genesis 12:3)
How will we fare without it?
BFL
Yes, I’ve heard “America isn’t in the Bible!” for years. It’s ridiculous.
But I have also heard that even Amos is referring to the Constitution (covenant of brotherhood) and our current Uniparty that is most likely run by the people George Washington was warned about on his deathbed, and what John Quincy Adams was freaked out about — illuminists invading the freemasons with the Fed Reserve, etc. (of Tyre or Tyrus) in Amos 1:9:
Thus saith the Lord;
For three transgressions of Tyrus,
and for four,
I will not turn away the punishment thereof;
because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom,
and remembered not the brotherly covenant:
Tyre
9 Thus says the Lord:
For three crimes of Tyre, and now four—
I will not take it back—
Because they handed over an entire population to Edom,
and did not remember their covenant of brotherhood
Spiritual blindness maybe?
Maybe? That’s a big part of it.
What tree is that?
I’m not specifically pushing this article I posted or the book this guy is hawking (haven’t read it, have no intention of reading it)... but what this article is based on is common sense Bible research. Iraq is not Mystery Babylon, America is.
... until you can take down these 60 arguments point by point, I’m not that interested.
So, what tree are you talking about?
We’re not a player in prophecy because we’ve been neutralized by our own leadership.
You are so right. These same people who proclaimed to the world how much smarter they are, because they voted for Obama, now look like deer in the headlights when you mention any one of Obama's failures, especially the middle east and ISIS.
They are incapable of seeing the truth, can’t admit they made a terrible mistake and are in total denial. And that’s just for starters.
If their actions only affected them, it would be fine. But they sure hurt the rest of us.
Have you heard anyone admit they made a mistake and he is so bad? I only heard it once. She said “Obama fooled us”.
Now Gog and Mr. Magog are a different matter altogether.
That's exactly it. Things would change quick if they actually faced the repercussions of their actions.
Indeed:
Gen 49
22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
And
Deut 33
13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
The Northern tribes (House of Joseph/Israel) were exiled and lost to history due to gross idolatry. Separated, so to speak. Hosea (and Ezekiel 37) decribe their return.
(Revelation 17:5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Babylon is the harlot's *mother's* name. A naming convention for illegitimate children. Compare:
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
The name "America" is itself a mystery... undetermined origin, lacking definitive etymology or source. Theories abound. And then there's her Hebrew name:
Hebrew name for US "Lands of the Covenant" remains mystery
Joseph is yet alive.
Speaking of Joseph and Joseph/Israel allegories...
The quotes above from Deu 33 and Gen 49 are referenced at the end of Matthew chapter 2. He = Joseph. Another one of those perpetually "mysterious" verses that actually makes plain sense. Nazarene = nazir = separated one = Joseph = House of Israel
Hosea 11:1-3
1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.
Matthew 2:14 When he [Joseph] arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled [completed] which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Egypt - house of bondage
Babylon - confusion, mixture
The USA not a player in prophecy? She's front and center, right along with Judah.
Think about this. We will be spending the next year preparing for an election, fighting this illegal and forced invasion by illegals from all over the world, and our military is so weak, Obama would not dare call it up as it would make him even weaker. Basically, we are frozen and our hands ties for at least 18 months and guess who knows this. His name is Putin. Attacks on Israel will not be answered by us because of weakness and Obama’s indifference. Won’t it be amazing how Israel will wipe out her enemies though.
I happened to see a TV, quite by accident, or perhaps not, where Zola was making his case for the timing of prophetic events and the restoration of Israel. This was in the early 1990’s.
I also think that the United States is found in the 18th chapter of Isaiah. It speaks of a land far away that’s divided by many rivers, the people speak a strange speech, a land feared, a nation of whirring wings...very interesting chapter.
ragmop
I’m not talking about it. Scripture names it as one of the delicacies imported from Mystery Babylon. It is a type of tree product (incense) that DOES NOT GROW ANYWHERE BUT THE MIDDLE EAST! - (I might look it up & give chapter and verse; but my Bible is in another room.
IF you’ve decided America IS what you’ve decided it is; no amount of ARGUMENT will change your mind. I’ve got no time for “doubtful disputations”. Time is short.
You do know that, for example, Los Angeles is about the exact same latitude as Israel with the exact same desert-to-oasis climate? Why couldn’t something that grows in the Middle East be grown somewhere in the US?
I’m open to anyone who can present arguments refuting the sixty arguments here that the US is Mystery Babylon.
What is the incense? I’m truly interested to know what someone you heard preach or teach about it.
But I’m with John Quincy Adams on this — he was a Christian (and the smartest US President ever) — who saw the same things the Bible saw — how the US could become the most evil nation in the history of the world.
Read the scripture again:
Rev. 18:11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.
Note the goods listed are sold TO Mystery Babylon, not FROM her.
Then ask yourself who is the world's largest consumer of goods?
Just one of many more characteristics the US has in common with "Mystery Babylon" recorded in both the OT, and NT.
Insightful and timely. I wonder if Russian support and armaments will encourage an Arab Psalm 83 attack on Israel? If so, this may be the hook that pulls the Bear into Israel (Ezekiel 38)
America is completely and utterly bankrupt and will pay the Piper soon. Babylon is...Babylon. Most likely an oil funded Dubai-like entity that rises in Iraq (or Shinar as Zech 5 puts it)
Scary how much Revelation sounds like the city where John D Rockefeller Jr donated the land for the United Nations to be built, the same city where the freemason occultic Prostitute Who Sits On Many Waters with her seven pointed star headdress: http://www.iron-clay.com/mystery-babylon.html (That link contains another 99 reasons why America is Mystery Babylon)
15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.
16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled.
18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Come out of Babylon!
Rev. 18:1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor.
2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
"Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts, `I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.'
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
9 "When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.
10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
"`Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'
The Kings of The Earth and Their Merchants Are Distraught Over Babylon's Destruction
11"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more--
12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;
13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.
14"They will say, `The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16and cry out:
"`Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!'
"Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, `Was there ever a city like this great city?' 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
"`Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth!
In One Hour She Has Been Brought To Ruin!
20 Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.'"
21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
"With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.
22 The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.
No workman of any trade will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.
The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world's great men.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth."
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