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Near-death experience, Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often don’t reflect...
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Posted on 09/19/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT by Salvation

Near-death experience Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often don’t reflect what we know through Scripture

9/16/2015

Question: I read a book by an author who had a near-death experience and claims that God told him that one’s belief system was irrelevant. This seems like New Age indifferentism. Can you comment on near-death phenomena and what this author said?Bob Tisovich, Ely, Minnesota

Answer: Near-death experiences (NDEs) seem to be a rather widely reported phenomenon with certain common features. One has an “out of body” experience with a reported capacity to see oneself as if looking down. There is usually some experience of a light to which the person is drawn, sometimes down a tunnel. There is usually some sense of peace and joy but also a sense that now is not the time, and one is “sent back.”

While it cannot be denied that NDEs are reported with enough frequency that likely they do happen, they are problematic in certain ways. First, they can reasonably be explained naturally as consciousness fades. The Church usually looks for natural explanations and seeks to rule them out before quickly asserting a supernatural cause.

A second, a more significant problem with many (not all) NDEs is that they would seem to violate or skip over certain biblical and Church teachings regarding the last things. One aspect that is missing in most of them is judgment. Scripture says, “it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment” (Heb 9:27). St. Paul also speaks of us passing through fire to have our works tested and purified after death (1 Cor 3:13-15). The teaching on judgment and purification are seemingly absent in many, if not most NDE reports.

Even more problematic are the NDE reports that speak of being able to walk around heaven, see loved ones, etc. But heaven is not attained in bypassing the judgment scene and the purification that most, if not all of us, will need. Scripture says of heaven: “Nothing unclean will enter it” (Rv 21:27). So, such reports seem dubious, if Scripture is a reliable guide — and it obviously is.

Your question refers also to a book by an NDE “survivor” who claims that in his discussions with “God,” God didn’t care what spiritual tradition one had. But this is in contradiction to Scripture, which teaches there is no other name given by which we are to be saved other than Jesus (Acts 4:12). So, New Age gnosticism does not save one, and it would seem that the real God does care.

But here, too, is another societal ill of our times: the rejection of the Word of God in favor of often trendy visionaries. Death awaits us all, and we do well to simply heed the Lord’s warning to be ready by living sober, holy and devout lives.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; catholic; nde; neardeathexperience
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To: Grateful2God

[[One more point, and I’ll get off the soap box. I always wonder what it was like for Lazarus to return from eternity after 3 days in our time (no one can fathom how long that was for him)... ]]

He may not have returned from eternity-

in one of my posts, (my longwinded posts which most people will ignore lol)- I wondered if there is the possibility that at ‘death’ whether it could be that the spirit moves beyond the body, but the soul might remain for a time in certain cases for God’s own purposes (like with Lazarus- his resurrection was for a very definite purpose- perhaps God didn’t allow the soul to depart-)

I’m just guessing- and probably way off-


81 posted on 09/19/2015 11:38:41 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: RoosterRedux; ifinnegan; GreyFriar
"But the proof would lie in coming back from an NDE with information you couldn't otherwise have. And even then there is the question of the experience being an occult one and not necessarily from God."

That makes what GreyFriar said all the more pertinent: DISCERNMENT is essential in these situations.

82 posted on 09/19/2015 11:42:34 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Grateful2God
Discernment

Absolutely critical.

83 posted on 09/19/2015 11:47:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: M Kehoe

I agree that it’s something beyond our understanding. I know people who have had these: folks I’ve known for decades and whom I would not doubt.


84 posted on 09/19/2015 12:03:07 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Bob434
Remember that in the Bible the only requirement that Christ stated is, “Believe in me and you shall be saved!”

Screw a bunch of theologians

85 posted on 09/19/2015 12:08:47 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: Bob434

I get what you’re saying about the possible neurophysiology behind these experiences, yet I believe it’s much more complex than what we know. It is God who created the laws of nature, so we can never completely understand those laws. Not only that, but He can suspend them as He chooses. I know what I’m told; the person knows what they experienced, and God knows everything! :)


86 posted on 09/19/2015 12:13:15 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: MHGinTN

Oh, for the love of Mike, will you quit whining?


87 posted on 09/19/2015 12:24:37 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Hulka

Interesting that you say 12 and a girl. I’ve read articles where unexplained occurrences take place more commonly among adolescent females. Were there any strange occurrences, if I may ask- no offense taken if it’s personal- and what prompted your Mom to do that? Did your sister show signs that she was somehow different than other kids?


88 posted on 09/19/2015 12:34:34 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Grateful2God

Thank you.


89 posted on 09/19/2015 12:41:47 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Bob434

More people believe that than you may think. Perhaps because of Lazarus and Jesus being in the tomb until the third day, wakes at home were held for three days with a 24/7 candlelight vigil. It was believed that the soul remained, whether to say goodbye, see its past, I don’t know-it stemmed from the old country. Interesting...


90 posted on 09/19/2015 12:58:01 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Salvation

I reflect almost daily on the two times doctors tried to kill me


91 posted on 09/19/2015 12:58:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Salvation
Nonsense. 'Near Death Experience' and 'Out of Body Experience' are visions. Visions are very Biblical, and do approach the gates of Heaven. However, one must be aware and cautious in the interpretation thereof, as well of the source thereof.

Nonetheless, to paint this subject with such a broad brush is not true.

92 posted on 09/19/2015 1:04:37 PM PDT by roamer_1
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To: Salvation
Nonsense. 'Near Death Experience' and 'Out of Body Experience' are visions. Visions are very Biblical, and do approach the gates of Heaven. However, one must be aware and cautious in the interpretation thereof, as well of the source thereof.

Nonetheless, to paint this subject with such a broad brush is not true.

93 posted on 09/19/2015 1:04:38 PM PDT by roamer_1
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To: waterhill

In my late teens I had an experience after taking waaaayyyyyy too much drugs in which I believed I had a glimpse of death. The utter blackness and emptiness and aloneness was staggering. I came out of that experience profoundly changed. It took some time (weeks) to regain my composure.

Both before and after the experience I was an outspoken athiest, but came to the conclusion that there was nothing at all after this life so I better get busy living and make my life count instead of wasting it.

I actually became reasonably successful “making my life count”, until at some point many years later I finally reached the end of myself.

It was then that Jesus had mercy on me and revealed himself. With what I know now, there is nothing to dread. And if my life is to count for anything, He is able to do it.


94 posted on 09/19/2015 1:12:28 PM PDT by rusty millet
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To: painter

I had a brief out of body type experience once while I was sitting down and talking with a friend. I wasn’t sick or anything, just talking.

Everything I saw in it was white as well, and I never felt anything so REAL.

It was like the reality of it was tangible. It had weight.

Weirdest thing I ever experienced.


95 posted on 09/19/2015 1:47:10 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: painter

Not really; if I did it made no impression on me, just the cottony whiteness.


96 posted on 09/19/2015 2:00:48 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Bob434

I underwent my second triple bypass surgery 2 Jan 2008. There were some severe complications which caused the surgical team to put me in a chemically-induced coma. I was out for three full days and as the Filipino nurses were bringing me around, I thought for sure I was on my way to hell. I thought I had wasted a good confession. Then I regained consciousness and figured I’d better change ways. One of the nurses said something to me and I automatically answered him in Tagalog. I hadn’t been in the Philippines for 50 years! This took place in Delray Beach FL, which we call Paradise!


97 posted on 09/19/2015 2:18:02 PM PDT by Ax ("You'll Never Walk Alone" (LFC))
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To: Grateful2God
LOL ... try brsanching out
98 posted on 09/19/2015 2:49:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Death-Exploring-Evidence-Immortality/dp/1592445098/ref=asap_B001H6IJPO?ie=UTF8


99 posted on 09/19/2015 2:50:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: odawg

Think back,...Was it Love?


100 posted on 09/19/2015 5:38:22 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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