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Near-death experience, Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often don’t reflect...
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Posted on 09/19/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT by Salvation

Near-death experience Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often don’t reflect what we know through Scripture

9/16/2015

Question: I read a book by an author who had a near-death experience and claims that God told him that one’s belief system was irrelevant. This seems like New Age indifferentism. Can you comment on near-death phenomena and what this author said?Bob Tisovich, Ely, Minnesota

Answer: Near-death experiences (NDEs) seem to be a rather widely reported phenomenon with certain common features. One has an “out of body” experience with a reported capacity to see oneself as if looking down. There is usually some experience of a light to which the person is drawn, sometimes down a tunnel. There is usually some sense of peace and joy but also a sense that now is not the time, and one is “sent back.”

While it cannot be denied that NDEs are reported with enough frequency that likely they do happen, they are problematic in certain ways. First, they can reasonably be explained naturally as consciousness fades. The Church usually looks for natural explanations and seeks to rule them out before quickly asserting a supernatural cause.

A second, a more significant problem with many (not all) NDEs is that they would seem to violate or skip over certain biblical and Church teachings regarding the last things. One aspect that is missing in most of them is judgment. Scripture says, “it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment” (Heb 9:27). St. Paul also speaks of us passing through fire to have our works tested and purified after death (1 Cor 3:13-15). The teaching on judgment and purification are seemingly absent in many, if not most NDE reports.

Even more problematic are the NDE reports that speak of being able to walk around heaven, see loved ones, etc. But heaven is not attained in bypassing the judgment scene and the purification that most, if not all of us, will need. Scripture says of heaven: “Nothing unclean will enter it” (Rv 21:27). So, such reports seem dubious, if Scripture is a reliable guide — and it obviously is.

Your question refers also to a book by an NDE “survivor” who claims that in his discussions with “God,” God didn’t care what spiritual tradition one had. But this is in contradiction to Scripture, which teaches there is no other name given by which we are to be saved other than Jesus (Acts 4:12). So, New Age gnosticism does not save one, and it would seem that the real God does care.

But here, too, is another societal ill of our times: the rejection of the Word of God in favor of often trendy visionaries. Death awaits us all, and we do well to simply heed the Lord’s warning to be ready by living sober, holy and devout lives.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; catholic; nde; neardeathexperience
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To: Hulka; Grateful2God; zot

very good testimony. See also this report:

http://www.bswett.com/1969-09WrongRoom.html


121 posted on 09/20/2015 5:49:21 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping and the link.


122 posted on 09/20/2015 6:37:33 PM PDT by zot
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To: Hulka

That was just an out of body experience, not a near death experience.


123 posted on 09/20/2015 6:40:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Two words: HOWARD STORM

That will convince you of NDE’s if you don’t believe.

Atheist became Minister after his NDE and his entire family got saved.


124 posted on 09/20/2015 8:48:45 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: GreyFriar

Post 77


125 posted on 09/21/2015 4:49:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Salvation

“Just?”

Maybe something that is usual in your world. . .

;-)

That said, there has been a time or two I’ve had an out of body experience when confronted/confounded by my son’s shenanigan’s when he was growing up.


126 posted on 09/21/2015 7:32:59 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: MHGinTN
yet you focus upon what the head of the catholic religion is stating about the subject of NDEs.

You should email Msgr. Charles Pope, a diocesan priest of the archdiocese of Washington, DC, and tell him that he's "the head of the catholic [sic] religion". He would no doubt be highly amused.

(Earlier this week, another Protestant poster said Msgr. Pope was an archbishop!)

127 posted on 09/21/2015 5:31:12 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

Forgive me for asking but in a Parish, at Mass, is the one administering the Mass subordinate to the Pope at Mass?


128 posted on 09/21/2015 7:33:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: All
Art Bell's guest tonight is a physician who will be discussing NDEs:

Art's Midnight in the Desert; 9/21-22/2014

129 posted on 09/21/2015 9:52:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Salvation

I remember that Christ said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”

I don’t doubt that the variety of NDEs probably reflect that very thing.

What I can’t really accept is that all NDEs are purely some kind of evolutionary ‘safety switch’ to calm down people during the process of death. That makes no sense at all to me.

Up until very recently almost no one had the opportunity to have NDE - you just died. They couldn’t bring you back if your heart had stopped. End of story.

Since all evolutionary ends are directed toward maximizing your reproductive function (or derived from that), there is no reason to smooth out death since by definition, you won’t be coming back and making babies. Nature would not waste a complex system on end stage hallucinations that almost always feature peace and a feeling of well-being. It would be pointless.

Since these things do happen, there must be some other reason for them. I believe some part of us moves on.


130 posted on 09/22/2015 4:41:23 PM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Bob434
I know you weren't telling anyone to "go to hell" I was just saying.

Quite an experience you had. I'm glad you made peace with God. Like you said, the devil's goal is to peal anyone he can from God, relentlessly.

131 posted on 09/22/2015 5:11:03 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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