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New 'Fast-Track Annulments' May Be Rarer Than Expected (Diocese of Madison)
NC Register (the good one) ^ | 9/16/2015 | Joan Desmond

Posted on 09/16/2015 3:19:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: ebb tide

What does that say about the prot that did not provide the documentation AND missed the “/UBERSARC!” at the end of my comment?


41 posted on 09/17/2015 5:46:43 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga

What “documentation” are you demanding?


42 posted on 09/17/2015 6:00:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Go up thread, there is a whopping 40 posts to look through, or you could just click on the “to#” under each post.


43 posted on 09/17/2015 6:07:26 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: BlatherNaut

-— but when they quit their acts of sodomy, and the underlying sick lust, it’s no longer a “sodomite relationship”. They can, withj the help of God’s grace, develop a spiritual friendship which conduces to their mutual sanctification.


44 posted on 09/17/2015 6:11:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: verga

In other words, you don’t know what you’re talking about.


45 posted on 09/17/2015 6:15:38 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Boy can I call it or what? I just knew you were one of those people. Thank you for proving me correct again.


46 posted on 09/17/2015 6:35:31 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga

Who are “those people”?

Roman Catholics, perhaps, who don’t buy Francis’ B.S., like you do?


47 posted on 09/17/2015 6:48:42 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

If that helps you get through the dark scary night.


48 posted on 09/18/2015 7:26:34 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You seem to view married couples who contracept and sodomite couples as existing on an equal plane. Sodomite relationships are unnatural not only on the physical plane but also on the spiritual and emotional planes. Eschewing the physical act does not negate the other issues.


49 posted on 09/18/2015 2:46:59 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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I'm just taking the traditional view that nobody is a "homosexual," --- as a more-or-less permanent form of identity --- but that the real issue is sodomy. The internal act (fantasy and lust) and the external act (perverted intercourse).

It wasn't until the mid-19th century that the word and concept of "homosexual" was even invented, in the taxonomy of pathologies then favored by the psychiatrists. Before then, the only relevant categories were "lust" and "sodomy", neither of which required a particular "class" of people to engage in them.

Sodomy and contracepted intercourse are both unnatural acts, both perverted (turned away from the true nature and purposes of sex as created by God), and both mortal sins. They are morally congruent but not, of course, identical.

Every mortal sin is, in some ways, like every other mortal sin; like some other mortal sins; and like no other mortal sin.

50 posted on 09/18/2015 2:58:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Married couples who contracept are guilty of the additional sin of sacrilege against the Sacrament of Matrimony.


51 posted on 09/18/2015 2:59:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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Sodomy and contracepted intercourse are both unnatural acts, both perverted (turned away from the true nature and purposes of sex as created by God), and both mortal sins. They are morally congruent

If they were morally congruent, both would be characterized as "sins that cry to heaven for vengeance".*

"...Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072)

Doctor of the Church, cardinal and a great reformer of the clergy, Saint Peter Damian wrote his famous Book of Gomorrah against the inroads made by homosexuality among the clergy. He describes not only the iniquity of homosexuality, but also its psychological and moral consequences:

"Truly, this vice is never to be compared with any other vice because it surpasses the enormity of all vices.… "

12 Quotes Against Sodomy That Every Catholic Should Know

*What are sins that cry to heaven for vengeance and sins against the Holy Spirit?

Full Question

What are sins that cry to heaven for vengeance and sins against the Holy Spirit?

Answer

Most Catholics are familiar with the term mortal sin. Mortal sins deprive the soul of grace. They are serious transgressions of God's law, done freely and deliberately with a clear understanding of what they are. Their result is to deny a soul entrance to heaven.

There are particular mortal sins that are so evil that they are said to be sins that cry to heaven for vengeance: murder (Gn 4:10), sodomy (Gn 17:20-21), oppression of the poor (Ex 2:23), and defrauding workers of their just wages (Jas 5:4).

Sins against the Holy Spirit are mortal sins that harden a soul by its rejection of the Holy Spirit. Six sins are in this category. They are despair, presumption, envy, obstinacy in sin, final impenitence, and deliberate resistance to the known truth.

What are sins that cry to heaven for vengeance and sins against the Holy Spirit?

52 posted on 09/18/2015 3:29:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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