Posted on 09/08/2015 1:21:55 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
For quite some time now I have stated that the same arguments that have been used in support of consensual gay marriage can also be used in support of consensual polygamy.
With that in mind, I am also one of the few who has argued for some time now (long before Kim Davis appeared on the scene) against the dangers of religious sectarianism (i.e. pre-Cromwell RC times in Europe and also Cromwell using God's authority to close down the theaters, etcetera) and that the citing of scriptures in opposition to gay marriage can lead to or at least open the door to religious sectarianism and the citing of scriptures against other things.
If one is A1) Apostolic Christian/Holiness and can 1.) use or point to Biblical scriptures and state that a.) gay marriage is against God's law and/or b.) gay marriage is against one's closely-held religious beliefs and/or c.) state that by "God's authority" (which Kim Davis herself stated with her own mouth) one will not issue a marriage license for same-sex couples, then can another person who is of another Christian sect (given the appellation of A2 - say Roman Catholic or even Greek Orthodox) and occupies the same position as Kim Davis in the U.S. state that according to a, b or c above that not only will they not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but they will not issue marriage licenses to people who are divorced (and seek to remarry) because what they are doing ALSO (emphasis only) 2.) goes against Biblical scriptures detailed by Christ, St. Paul or others with the holy canon that forbid same-sex marriage but also divorce and remarriage (which could occur especially if they knew the person who came in to get the marriage license, or it was a small town and so on)?
Some more questions:
1.) How can we have zero religious sectarianism in America within Christianity and among all faiths be they Buddhism, Hinduism, etc, along with and within Christianity? What I speak of is not religious beliefs but a pernicious tribalism that can grow between religions and within Christianity itself.
2.) How can Kim Davis and others be true to their conscience (which they have the right to be) and not open the door to any chance (be it even 1/1000 of a percent chance) to another person from another Christian sect using the scriptures to expand the issue beyond same-sex marriage?
3.) Why has it taken so long for America to get away from government involvement in marriage and remarriage?
4.) Do we view marriage and remarriage laws like some administering of the sacraments? If so, why?
If so, then can someone else administer them?
Apparently she does not want them to be administered by someone else because her name will still be affixed to them.
If so, then can her name be taken off of them and then another person within her office besides herself administer them?
If not, then what do you think is the remedy?
And why has it taken until now for county clerks and or any level government itself to possibly get out of the business of marriage and/or remarriage altogether ---- as government was once involved not only in marriage in past times in Europe, but was also involved in the issue of remarriage.
On both of those issues, just look to the Cathars and those who believed similar to they both before and alongside of them and/or held to Albigensian or quasi-Albigensian beliefs and how they were persecuted.
Kim Davis has a right to adhere to her closely held religious beliefs.
Talk about false choices, this headline has it.
In 1 Thess 4:1-8, God draws a line in the sand for Christians. Those who reject the command against sexual immorality has rejected God. It is a fantasy to think there will never be division or sectarianism. Jesus said He didn’t come to bring peace but a sword.
false statement from you.
You obviously did not read it and did not want to because this bothers you.
Get over being bothered by the possibilities.
I myself have said that the same arguments in support of gay marriage can be used to support polygamy.
But the arguments against gay marriage can be used to promote religious sectarianism.
Deal with it.
So we have to put up with not only the possibility that the same arguments used in support of gay marriage not only can be used in support of polygamy but can also be used to promote religious sectarianism among Christians?
I have a closely held extremist and reactionary religious belief that killing liberals with a shotgun is wrong.
Do they want me to compromise and moderate that belief?
I said HEADLINE.
And to clarify it for you: it is false to say that rejecting polygamy leads to religious sectarianism, which is the either/or choice IN THE HEADLINE.
There ought to be religious marriage and secular marriage, both legally recognized. There are churches galore that would allow you to marry two or three people just to show how progressive and accepting they are, so there should be no problem finding a hireling to perform the ritual, for a price, of course.
If you accept “marriage” being any grouping of persons without regard to their age, number, or consanguinity know that the obvious consequences are polygamy, incest, child marriage, and pedophilia - all of which are socially destructive.
BTW, do you want “the state” wielding a sword in the name or in the power or authority of religion?
Can “the sate” enforce religious matters, and if so, which religion do they enforce? Catholicism, Protestantism, Greek Orthodox, Ethiopic Christian?
I mean, there are many Bibles: Roman Catholic, Protestant (both the initial one containing the Catholic books and the ones following which do not include them) the Greek Orthodox Bible and the Ethiopic Bible - they all have a differing number of books with in them.
I expanded upon the headline( which I intended to do), but you so the attempt by you to use a diversionary tactic is moot but still noted.
And if not this, then you would have found fault somewhere else...
There are laws against underage marriage and against pedophilia.
There is no diversionary tactic. Get over yourself.
Oops.
Should have read: ...), but you ingnored that, so the attempt by you...
I could have sworn that was in there... Oh well...
And there’s laws against homosexual “marriage”. So what’s your point?
If judicial diktats are allowed then get ready for polygamy. Get ready for all sorts of chaos.
Yes there was.
Get over your use of Ad Hominem and obey the rules here at Fr against personal attacks by ceasing to use Ad Homs (personal attacks) by making this about me.
As I said before, the same arguments used in favor of same-sex marriage can be used in favor of polygamy.
But the arguments used against gay marriage (the Bible) can be used against divorce and remarriage.
DEAL WITH THAT.
Your statement about different Bible shows some ignorance of scripture. In spite of the various versions, there is no difference in what the scriptures say about marraige or homosexulaity.
Ad Hominem? Please.
Can homosexual marriage lead to polygamy? You better pray to God it stops there! Its all about love remember. That what the homosexuals and their enablers claimed. The Supreme Court magically found homosexual marriage within the Constitution. You think the polygamist don’t want a piece of the action? Then up next the pedophiles. Its all about Its all about love remember? You can’t tell people who they can love. Wasn’t that the refrain? Well stand by..........
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