Posted on 09/07/2015 7:21:15 AM PDT by Biggirl
Pope Francis on Tuesday will release new streamlined procedures for annulling marriages after he — and thousands of Catholics before him — complained that the church's current system is cumbersome, costly and often unfair.
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Unless a person who is divorced remarries, they may receive Holy Communion.
If I understood JesusIsLord correctly, yes. He was speaking of that instituted by God the Father and reaffirmed by Jesus: “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
That doesn't sound like "secular marriage" to me.
The RC church, through its annulment process (avg. $500-$1000), declares secular and non-RC Christian marriages BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN illegitimate.
A marriage is either a legal marriage or it is not, and it is either a sacramental marriage or not. It can be "legitimate" in either case depending on what you are talking about, or what your priorities are. Are you really trying to tell me that if the Catholic Church says your marriage is not a sacrament in the Catholic Church that you feel threatened by that? And, as an American, are you really arguing that the Catholic Church should be required to define any legal marriage as also being a sacrament? Is your position actually that your own church's rites and definitions should be bound to civil law as well?
Your introduction of gay perversion is a not the issue.
No, I merely responded to what you argued. You stated "...a secular or non-RC marriage is a legitimate marriage. The first institution was marriage - not the church, RC or otherwise." Secular marriage is gay marriage. There is no avoiding that. If you argue that secular marriage supersedes church marriage, and you have, then you must support the legitimacy, to use your phrase, of gay marriage. There is no getting around it.
Heterosexual marriage is the ONLY marriage recognized by God, and reaffirmed by Jesus as God’s original intention for male-female union. THAT is the institution God set out for mankind in general.
At issue is Catholic annulment of THAT God-ordained union, not unions which are but fantasies in the mind of perverse men and women. “What God has joined, let not man seperate.” Exceptions are just that. Yet the flesh of man will always seek to expand the exceptions and pervert God’s original intention of FINALITY in marriage.
What God has joined....Hint: the church is NOT God. No church has any right to seperate His union once it has occurred in HIS eyes. Legalism is a game man plays, pointlessly, as God is Truth (not bits of it, there to be deceptively rearranged for convenience).
Heterosexual marriage is the ONLY marriage recognized by God, and reaffirmed by Jesus as God’s original intention for male-female union.
Excuse me, but that sounds very un-secular. How can one support the notion that secular marriage trumps religious definitions, and then at the same time argue that religious definitions supersede secular ones? Sorry, but that just doesn't work for me.
At issue is Catholic annulment of THAT God-ordained union, not unions which are but fantasies in the mind of perverse men and women.
You know what seems funny to me? That when somebody brings up Catholic annulments around a Protestant they suddenly get real big on the indissolubility of marriage. It is all about "What God has joined" and so on. But, I never hear about that regarding divorce courts. Where is all the horror about secular courts ending marriages? Where is the all the defensiveness about "that God-ordained union" when people decide to just end it and go their separate ways? I don't hear any outrage that courts, and even spouses themselves, think they can sever what God joined, but let the Church define what constitutes her own sacraments, and then it is all about indissolubility. That is amusing to me.
Right. God and Caesar—two different things.
You have a valid critique of Protestant hypocrisy in divorce. Personally I hate divorce. Very destructive.
Don't come on to the religion forum, insulting people, and calling them liars, just because they do buy the Latin Church tap-dancing qualifications which make one thing into yet something else, while studiously avoiding the logical implications of all the double-talk.
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