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To: xzins

Thank you, I did read it. I suppose that my whole issue is: what constitutes unfaithfulness? I don’t accept a narrow, almost Clintonian definition of physical copulation as the sole and exclusive definition of infidelity which justifies a divorce.

I have a friend who was in a hellishly oppressive and demeaning marriage, and who was prone to depression and strong, recurrent suicidal ideation. No attempts were made, but preparations were. During those periods, the spouse would double down on denigrating and belittling abuse, and draw their child into it as well, verbally snotting off and mocking the depressed friend. That level of malice and rejection is infidelity in my book, but that spouse abused scripture to defend the treatment meted out to my friend.

I don’t know. I see so much legalism applied to this subject. Very Clintonian in spirit, much of the time.


46 posted on 09/01/2015 8:46:11 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Psalm 144

There is integrity in determining when we are simply reading what the literal words say on the page. It is not a bad thing to know that.

When we get to interpretation of what those literal words mean in terms of our theology, we must be honest with what is there. It’s important to apply the remainder of the Bible, and, within reason, any insights from the culture.

I think it is important to remember that this was a polygamous society, that even in Abraham’s home, he was being given extra wives by his wives of marriage. David starts with two and gets to five and doesn’t have anything to do with one of them after she insults him. And probably because any child would have been both an heir of Saul and of David, so the tribes would have been hard pressed not to make that child the king.

Paul tells us that Bishops and Deacons can have only one wife, so that suggests that some Christian men had more than one wife.

In the Old Testament, one instance of a concubine being horribly abused by the men of Gibeah, I think, there was a justified war started. Dinah being abused led to the deaths of her rapist and the men of his city by the sons of Jacob. The marrying and giving in marriage of the ante-diluvian inhabitants of the earth was part of what brought on the great flood of Noah’s time. The adultery of David and Bathsheba led to the deaths of both Uriah, Bathsheba’s husband, and the son born to David and Bathsheba.

The marriage promise is not to be taken lightly.

At the same time, God never condones life threatening violence, and permits actions of self-preservation.

To me, violence and real emotional abuse are forms of desertion. If you get forced out of your home by fear of death, how is that different than someone leaving your home? Either way you have been intentionally separated by the actions of the partner.

I just need to be honest that I’m interpreting that from scripture. I’m not reading it from scripture. But it isn’t contrary to scripture.


47 posted on 09/01/2015 9:16:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their Victory!)
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