[roamer_1]

Revelation 12 is specifically addressing Israel, or at the very least Israeli converts.

YOU are either Israel, or grafted unto Israel... which would make you Israel, all the same. What does that do to your thinking?

[mountn man]

Instead of trying to come up with GOTCHA questions, and instead of trying to twist stuff to fit your predisposed theories about who the Jews are trying reading the Bible.

Revelation 7: 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, ONE HUNDRED FOURTY FOUR THOUSAND sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel

5 from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The Bible SPECIFICALLY mentions bloodlines.

So stow the hogwash about being grafted in. That applies to salvation, has nothing to do with prophecy of end time players.

John in the first 2 chapters SPECIFICALLY mentions the church and uses the word church.
Sooo...IF John was continuing talking about "the church" in Revelation he would say church. But NOWHERE after chapter 3 are the churches addressed or mentioned.

After that everything references Israel.

Revelation 12 describes the woman who gives birth to Christ, then later is chased into the wilderness.

The Church didn't give birth to Christ, Christ came through Israel.

Gentiles might be grafted in, but the promise is still through Israel and ALL of latter Revelation mentions or references Israel