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To: Elsie; daniel1212
To put it simply, "Wow!"

What a list! ("Our Lady of the Underground"??)

When I see this quackery, I think - "Is all this caused by someone's need for gender egalitarianism?" The RCC response is like a culture that is trying to be "fair" to women.

"We need to elevate the woman figure so that everyone is treated fairly... I know: We'll write a prayer to MARY!"

So, let's dissect the "Hail Mary" prayer:

Hail Mary full of Grace,
(We're addressing Mary. It's a prayer. We're praying to Mary.)

the Lord is with thee.
(Luke 1:28)

Blessed are thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
(Luke 1:42)

Holy Mary Mother of God,
(That's stretching our limited understanding of both hypostatic union and chickens and eggs. To quote Daniel1212: "Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture." )

pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death Amen.
(Asking dead people for intercessory prayer? Unscriptural.)

The whole thing reminds me of Satan's lying tactic: Take scripture, twist it, leave some out, and add something of his own to mislead people then have them repeat it over and over again until "VIOLA!" - it's so engrained that they'll fight for 562 posts to preserve the tenants of their "Holy Roman Catholic" church.
562 posted on 08/21/2015 1:26:18 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer; Kolokotronis; daniel1212
    Compare and contrast:
  1. Kolokotronis, a native speaker, quotes the Council of Chalcedon to honor the blessed Mother of God (with us) in Greek with an English translation, aptly pointing out those teaching otherwise on the nature of Messiah fall into heresy. This is an important warning for those on the RF who think themselves teachers of the scriptures.
  2. Kindman Redeemer quotes an anonymous 21st Century Internet user ID that resembles a scripture reference to reject the fact that Mary is holy and the mother of God (with us).

564 posted on 08/21/2015 1:50:20 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: kinsman redeemer; metmom; Gamecock; HossB86; Iscool; imardmd1; avenir; Alamo-Girl; BipolarBob; ...
The whole thing reminds me of Satan's lying tactic Yes, we hear the voice of satan in too many of their posts ... and we note that a virulent little platoon of catholic apologists use the same tactics satan inspired Alinsky to enumerate: to shut off opposition, ridicule, and mock and drip sarcasm from phrases, turn phrasing upside down to fix the target and ridicule it.

Satan has captured too many souls through the institutionalized religion of catholiciism, with blasphemous rituals and sacrilegious repetitive prayers to dead people appealed to for intercession, immediately proclaiming through their behaviors that God is not sufficiently with us or hearing every one who calls upon the Lord, reverting to pagan practices such as eating the actual and real presences of the pagan god manipulated from its godhood by the power of the religion's priesthood.

These blasphemies bind the adherents to serve the ridicule and remain deaf and dumb to The Truth in The Word and thus The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us is not sufficient so the adherents must strive within the institutional power to obtain, by earning THAT WHICH GOD PROMISES ONLY BY HIS GRACE through faithing in The One He Has Sent for our salvation and new life in the here and now.

Jesus came into the world to save sinners, to put His life in those who are of a broken and contrite spirit. The religion of catholiciism teaches its adherents to be proud of their working for eternal life, and in so doing cuts them off from eternal life as Promised by God to be afforded ONLY by faithing in The One Whom God has sent to be the propitiation and Lord, our Great High Priest in the Holy of Holies in Heaven, never in a wafer on earth or a cup of wine.

In the very sacraments catholiciism insists must be followed for eternal life to be 'obtained' this paganize religion mocks God's nature and seals off the adherents from Truth by directing their faithing to these works which fund self pride. We see the result of this pride in the mocking tones and ridiculing voices steeped in the blasphemies of catholic ritual and catholic pride.

A soul so puffed up in the pride of works cannot be a broken and contrite one and every participation in the blasphemous ritual of Mass amplifies the pride of doing to be worthy. Every session in the confessional elevates the pagan priesthood to power that is the antithesis of what Jesus Himself taught His disciples, as recorded in the Word God has given to us for our growth and edification.

We read ne or two of these servants to this blasphemous religious institution telling us this institutionalization is required for God to be in them. Yet if God is in them, ever, they are no longer striving to obtain or retain eternal life for it would be int hem making a new creation of them. Yet they teach others that this life in them must be renewed when a sin is committed, as if God comes and goes with their spirit like a yoyo. This is a direct contradiction to the Bible and what Paul by the inspiration of God's Spirit wrote concerning eternal life in the believer.

As we read their posts, it is as if they have never read the Book of Hebrews or the letter to the Romans, have never seen the proclamations in Titus, Peter's letters, or the letters Paul wrote to the bodies of believers his evangelizing established in Thessalonika, Ephesus, and Corinth. Every time a catholic apologist spittles the notion that it is the catholic church which has give us the Bible, that spittlist has proclaimed God in need of human works, as if The God Who Created the UNiverse is unable to dirtect the survival of the written message He has sent for our needs, spiritually.

The works of satan done through the catholic magicsteeringthem are evidenced in the subtle changes of particular words in the Bible, twisted to support lies such as Mariology, to counter the protestations against such blasphemies, such as changing the 'apostasia' from reading departure to rebellion (2 Thess 2:3). And the servants of this blasphemous religion fashioned to look like Christianity but having only the power of satan in it exhibit the most telling feature of the perishing who are full of religiosity, they are so prideful int heir membership devotion tot he cult.

635 posted on 08/22/2015 8:45:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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