[BillyBoy]

>> But, then, Roman Catholics try and make their version into something never spoken of in Scripture. They attribute all sort of sorcery and mysticism into their cultic ideas, and try to send people down that rabbit hole. To those with the Holy Ghost indwelling, we know the Father's plan of salvation. It is quite simple. It requires simple faith and resting in His Grace. But, Roman Catholics want to distract and pervert that message with claims of some fictional woman's ability to redeem us like Christ. They tout all sorts of mystical visions to support their UNScriptiral ideas and policies. They are a cult. <<

You mention "Roman Catholics" in your comments repeatedly, as if "Roman Catholics" decided on their own -- in defiance of all other Christian groups -- to come up with the doctrine that Mary gave birth to God.

If you study history and basic Christian theology, you'd realize the reverse is true.

Scripture makes it explicitly clear that Christ is both God AND Man, had always existed that way, and thus Christ was fully God when Mary gave birth to him.

So-called Christians who REJECTED the idea that Mary gave birth to God, and argued that Mary only birth to "Jesus, the human person", were condemned as heretics by ALL Christians WORLDWIDE, many centuries ago. The idea that the human and divine natures of Christ are extremely separate and that Mary "only" carried the human nature is her womb is a grave heresy in mainstream Christianity.

Catholic theologians, Eastern Orthodox scholars, Oriental Orthodox church fathers, the various Protestant reformers (Luther, Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, John Weasley, etc.) have ALL affirmed over the centuries that Mary carried God incarnate in her womb and gave birth to God incarnate. Even the modern day successor to the Nestorian Church, which started this heresy in the first place, has now accepted that Mary gave birth to God incarnate.

If you deny this basic Christian dogma, you are placing yourself outside of centuries of mainstream orthodox Christian teaching and outside of the dogma of the vast majority of self-proclaimed Christian churches today. Nestorianism is a fringe belief that died off in the 1400s. Only self-proclaimed "Christians" like Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarians will deny that Jesus was fully God long before Mary gave birth to Him. I don't think you want to end up in their company.

[WVKayaker]

...to come up with the doctrine that Mary gave birth to God.

Having been a Bible student for more than 50 years, I wonder where some people get their understanding and why they can't read things properly. The doctrine in question is the title given to the Roman Catholic mary, nothing like the theme from God's Word.

I did not deny that Mary (the one is scripture) gave birth to Jesus Christ! But, I am reading your post and it again repeats lies and innuendos unsupported by Scripture.

Repeating a lie does not ever make it become truth. Jesus is God. Mary is a woman from Scripture chosen to be the vessel by which Jesus came into this world. BUT, Roman Catholics want to substitute some bastardization of the concept and claim powers and titles for that woman never found within God's Word. Their claims come straight from the mouth of Lucifer, the fallen angel. He wants to bring as many down as he can. So, he makes a plan to deceive the very elect. But, his version is to take the person of a simple Jewish woman, instill all sorts of schemes and false visions to help the superstitious to believe those lies. They sound real good.

But, they fall apart when taken away from the light of Scripture, and into the realm of "tradition". Mary is dead. She was never shown to be anything other than a Jewish girl given a special status, and who after bearing the person of Jesus, went on to bear other children, which Roman Catholics deny.

Myths and superstition is what religion is all about. Jesus came to restore us to our place in God's house. He came that we sinners may have eternal life there. How? With simple faith in the completed work at the cross. We have a relationship, not a religion. God is a Spirit and we must worship Him, not some plastic statue of a dead woman.

But again, Catholics want to ignore that victory over sin and add all sorts of extraScriptural and unScriptural requirements. It is a works-based cult. It gives false hopes that "if we are not good enough on Earth", we can always have those with enough money and candles lit to help get them out of some middle place. But again, Scripture does not give that opportunity.

Good luck with your religion. Jesus came to restore us into His family as joint heirs in God's Kingdom.You may opt for simple faith in Christ's finished work, or you may repeat a million Hail Mary's. I prefer the first choice. The cross is empty!

YMMV!

Hebrews 9: ... 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.