What to do if you missed the Rapture

Interesting. That is the most unusual explanation I’ve yet come across. Have a great evening. See you in the clouds ... it’s okay, someone will explain it to you on the way up, as Missler says.

Interesting. That is the most unusual explanation I’ve yet come across.

It the whole purpose of that parable referring to "virgins". No whoring with Satan allowed, no nursing along Satan's works. Christ may say "I never knew you" to those who prophesy in His name but then whore with Satan. By the way, have you thought of that parable?...it's those who prophesy in Jesus' name that Jesus will turn away. If the rapture were true, they would be gone and would not have been lured by Satan and not run out of oil.

Have a great evening. See you in the clouds ... it’s okay, someone will explain it to you on the way up, as Missler says.

I'll be in the water vapor clouds on September 5, in a plane, that's it. :^)

Think what you want. I'm gladd that still to some degree it's a "free" country (I wouldn't be too loud about that). But this is where you and I may be a little different. It's the blood part of "flesh and blood" that makes the ordinary material man acceptible in the Kingdom of Heaven but not in the Kingdom of God. But according to "flesh and bone" (which thr risewn Jesus was, is, and always will be) which He attested Himself to be and showed eye-witnesses to be, that's what counts to me. Now, I am a scientist and of a scientists mind. I have little regard for the opinion of others excvept when laid by the side of Scripture it consistently matches.

In the trade we always said, "In God we trust. Everybody else needs to bring data." And in this sphere of knowledge, the Holy Scripture context is the verifiable standard environment against which one's data interpretation is measured.

I hope I am making my position clear.

Jesus:

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet" (Lk. 24:39 AV).

If you do not accept this as a fact, you would be making this verse and its author liats.

Apostle John:

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; . . ." (1Jn. 1:1 AV). As a fact, flesh without blood is marvelously preserved in the right conditions, for more than three times Adam's life span. Enliven this with water, antibiotics, and the Holy Ghost would make a pretty durable specimen,

I don't think the above easy to contradict, do you?

>> . . .his hands and his feet" (Lk. 24:39 AV).

As a fact, flesh without blood . . . <<

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I don't contradict that Jesus was in a flesh form when Thomas put his finger in His side. Jesus' body was not in the tomb when this happened. So is it your contention that bones will remove themselves from graveyards at the so-called rapture?

It's my contention that the form Jesus had at the Thomas incident is not the form on the Mount of Transfiguration and no bones are coming out of any graveyard at the Seventh Trump.

Actually, Jesus didn't say "flesh and bone"; He said "flesh and bones" -- plural. That means when His disciples shook His hand, and saw his joints work, He had a skeleton as did His pre-Cross form. They heard his voice box produce sound waves, and observed him to masticate bread and fish. His reality was validated and vindicated, and was seen to operate just like any other human (except, of course, a stone wall will not be an obstruction). And from conception in Mary, He was, is, and always ill be fully human in operation. Otherwise, we could not have an Eternal High Priest to represent the human descendants of Adam before God the Father.

Yes, as the firstborn from the dead ones, the firstborn of many believer brethren who will also be raised up out of the dead ones with flesh and bones, changed instantly from corruptible form to the incorruptible new human body form. He was accepted as the exact prototype (except for the nail print and pierced side wounds) and perfect example of what they and we are to be, seen of them and more than 500 others over a period of forty days before He manifested the ability to pass directly from their presence in this dimension into The God's dimension which shares a coexisting interface with our three-dimensional temporal world.

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: . . ." (Col. 1:15 AV; Jesus being the referent here).

"For whom he (The Father) did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (His Son) might be the firstborn (from the dead) among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29 AV).

Note that regenerated believer-disciple-priest Christ-followers already have their new spiritual nature, coexisting with the old carnal nature in this husk of flesh and blood and bones.

The risen human Jesus commanded the faithless disciple, ". . . be not faithless, but believing. . . . Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and ~~yet~~ have believed" (AV translation).

Be like Thomas yourself converted.

Speaking as having been trained in how to interpret the Bible, let me warn you not to get into interpretation by means of allegorical analysis or by mixing your metaphors and parables as in your Posts #820 and #822 and the like, for you will descend into an area in which you will never get out of, because you will have no standards of hermeneutics upon which agreement can be achieved.

The only way out, to find the truths of Scripture, is to employ the hermeneutic of literal, historical, cultural, contextual method in which any passage of Scripture can have one, and only one, primary interpretation to which all the context of Scripture lends itself. though literal interpretation contains both plain literal language and figurative-literal language, Figurative and /or allegorical interpretation is not normal. Figurative interpretation causes problems because it reads something into literature that is not plainly stated, and makes communication impossible where there is no fixed standard--only opinion--of what is being said.

So, using it, you will only get into arguments, even with those who show you what the Scripture plainly says.

Every statement of Scripture has only one sense (Isaiah 53:5, cf 1 Peter 2:24; this is about one's spiritual state, not one's physical sickness, which many try to apply it thus perverting the meaning). When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense--that is, commoonly accepted sense across the population--seek no other sense.

Got that?

Actually, Jesus didn't say "flesh and bone"; He said "flesh and bones" -- plural. That means when His disciples shook His hand, and saw his joints work, He had a skeleton as did His pre-Cross form. They heard his voice box produce sound waves, and observed him to masticate bread and fish. His reality was validated and vindicated, and was seen to operate just like any other human (except, of course, a stone wall will not be an obstruction). And from conception in Mary, He was, is, and always ill be fully human in operation. Otherwise, we could not have an Eternal High Priest to represent the human descendants of Adam before God the Father. Yes, as the firstborn from the dead ones, the firstborn of many believer brethren who will also be raised up out of the dead ones with flesh and bones, changed instantly from corruptible form to the incorruptible new human body form. He was accepted as the exact prototype (except for the nail print and pierced side wounds) and perfect example of what they and we are to be, seen of them and more than 500 others over a period of forty days before He manifested the ability to pass directly from their presence in this dimension into The God's dimension which shares a coexisting interface with our three-dimensional temporal world.

So bones are going to rise out of graveyards? God considers the inside of a casket to be filthy. He's going to haul all that filthiness to Heaven?

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: . . ." (Col. 1:15 AV; Jesus being the referent here). "For whom he (The Father) did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (His Son) might be the firstborn (from the dead) among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29 AV). Note that regenerated believer-disciple-priest Christ-followers already have their new spiritual nature, coexisting with the old carnal nature in this husk of flesh and blood and bones. The risen human Jesus commanded the faithless disciple, ". . . be not faithless, but believing. . . . Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (AV translation).

You take no consideration of what happened on the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus was not shining like the sun when He appeared to the women and the apostles, they didn't think He was different from other men at first.

Be like Thomas yourself converted.

I have no problem believing Jesus proved He defeated death by appearing to the apostles in His flesh form. But Jesus did say there would come a time when we wouldn't have Him. I would think if He still was in the semi-flesh body He would intervene here and there. He took off though, and hasn't been back, but gave each of us who believe the holy Spirit to take His place. That tells me He changed into his spiritual body, and will return as such at the Seventh Trump and we will all be changed at once so we can be with Him. He certainly won't spend eternity with scratches on His head and holes in His hands. Satan will be snuffed out after the White Throne Judgment, no need to see Satan's works anymore.

Speaking as having been trained in how to interpret the Bible, let me warn you not to get into interpretation by means of allegorical analysis or by mixing your metaphors and parables as in your Posts #820 and #822 and the like, for you will descend into an area in which you will never get out of, because you will have no standards of hermeneutics upon which agreement can be achieved. The only way out, to find the truths of Scripture, is to employ the hermeneutic of literal, historical, cultural, contextual method in which any passage of Scripture can have one, and only one, primary interpretation to which all the context of Scripture lends itself. though literal interpretation contains both plain literal language and figurative-literal language, Figurative and /or allegorical interpretation is not normal. Figurative interpretation causes problems because it reads something into literature that is not plainly stated, and makes communication impossible where there is no fixed standard--only opinion--of what is being said. So, using it, you will only get into arguments, even with those who show you what the Scripture plainly says. Every statement of Scripture has only one sense (Isaiah 53:5, cf 1 Peter 2:24; this is about one's spiritual state, not one's physical sickness, which many try to apply it thus perverting the meaning). When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense--that is, commoonly accepted sense across the population--seek no other sense. Got that?

So you believe there will be a prostitute with a cup riding an animal swimming in the ocean as told in Revelation?

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