What to do if you missed the Rapture

Sorry you have it backwards. Taken (in these instances) is to remove from a particular place.

1. The ones in the ark were not taken there. They built it and then moved in.

2. Lot and his daughters were not taken out of the city. The left on their own. No one carried them away.

In both these cases the ones who lived were not taken but instead moved forward under their own power.

Noah listened to God, Lot listened to the angels.

See my posts 299 and 300.

AFTter the rapture (catching away or snatching away) of the church to meet Him in the clouds and the air, they then go to the Marriage supper, not to the millennial reign.

Are you trying to substitute the wrath of satan as delivered by men (Inquisition anyone?) for what Revelation defines as the Wrath of God?

You make lots of assumptions ... I belong to a private rod and gun club. Bore sighted a 22 magnum pistol and one 22 magnum bolt rifle, three 22lr pistols and three .22lr rifles.

You’re obstinate!

You are correct sir. It's in my jeans, or is it genes? Something like that, I don't know. What is your excuse? 😂😇😎😱

There is a little book which might be of interest to you, who knows? Title is 'Unlocking The Secrets of The Feasts' by Michael Norten. Here's a quote from the book, near the end (book is less than 100 pages of text):

God apparently patterned the order of the resurrection after the patterns of the harvests. The Rapture of he church can be illustrated by the barley harvest because of the winnowing by the wind[Remember what Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3, about the wind?], the softness of the shell, and its being in the first harvest season. Those believers who come out of the tribulation are illustrated by the wheat harvest because of the stiff upright neck and the crushing by the tribulum. The taking away of unbelievers for impending judgment at the end of the Tribulation in the battle of Armageddon is illustrated by the fruit of the harvest and the winepress. And the ushering of the believers out of the Tribulation is illustrated by the gleanings because they are not harvested or resurrected but they live on in the Millenium in their non-resurrected bodies. (p84 Unlocking The Secrets Of The Feasts, Michael Norten)

Understanding the Feast Times of Israel is a useful tool in getting at the Truth in Scriptures. Jesus fulfilled ALL of the Spring Feast forshadowing of Him on the actual day prescribed in chapter 23 of Leviticus. He will doubtless fulfill the Fall Feasts in the same fashion. So understanding the Feasts and what they foreshadow is a useful part of a believer's data set.

The Latin Vulgate translated 'harpazo' as rapio:

Verb
rapiō (present infinitive rapere, perfect active rapuī, supine raptum); third conjugation iō-variant
1.I snatch, grab, carry off, abduct

Perhaps Jerome's use of 'carry off' or 'I snatch' (in the twinkling of an eye is quick!) is why the first several Bible translations translated 'apostasia' as departure, and departing, as seen in 2 Thess 2.

See my post 254

The Bride of Christ is prepared for the wedding IN HEAVEN at the BEMA Seat of Christ. The wedding happens in Heaven, and the Bride returns to Earth with the Lord. The feast happens on Earth after God has made ALL of the lamb’s enemies His footstool.

The Meaning of the Judgment (Bema) Seat

Both Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:9 speak of the “judgment seat.” This is a translation of one Greek word, the word bema. While bema is used in the gospels and Acts of the raised platform where a Roman magistrate or ruler sat to make decisions and pass sentence (Matt. 27:19; John 19:13), its use in the epistles by Paul, because of his many allusions to the Greek athletic contests, is more in keeping with its original use among the Greeks.

This word was taken from Isthmian games where the contestants would compete for the prize under the careful scrutiny of judges who would make sure that every rule of the contest was obeyed (cf. 2 Tim. 2:5). The victor of a given event who participated according to the rules was led by the judge to the platform called the Bema. There the laurel wreath was placed on his head as a symbol of victory (cf. 1 Cor. 9:24-25).

In all of these passages, “Paul was picturing the believer as a competitor in a spiritual contest. As the victorious Grecian athlete appeared before the Bema to receive his perishable award, so the Christian will appear before Christ’s Bema to receive his imperishable award. The judge at the Bema bestowed rewards to the victors. He did not whip the losers.” We might add, neither did he sentence them to hard labor.

In other words, it is a reward seat and portrays a time of rewards or loss of rewards following examination, but it is not a time of punishment where believers are judged for their sins. Such would be inconsistent with the finished work of Christ on the Cross because He totally paid the penalty for our sins. Chafer and Walvoord have an excellent word on this view:

With reference to sin, Scripture teaches that the child of God under grace shall not come into judgment (John 3:18; 5:24; 6:37; Rom. 5:1; 8:1; 1 Cor. 11:32); in his standing before God, and on the ground that the penalty for all sin—past, present, and future (Col. 2:13)—has been borne by Christ as the perfect Substitute, the believer is not only placed beyond condemnation, but being in Christ is accepted in the perfection of Christ (1 Cor. 1:30; Eph. 1:6; Col. 2:10; Heb. 10:14) and loved of God as Christ is loved (John 17:23).

Again, Chafer writes concerning the Bema, “It cannot be too strongly emphasized that the judgment is unrelated to the problem of sin, that it is more for the bestowing of rewards than the rejection of failure.”

The Time of the Bema

This event will occur immediately following the rapture or resurrection of the church after it is caught up to be with the Lord in the air as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.https://bible.org/

If one is justified by grace through faith (saints),....If their sins are no more remembered and are as far as the east is from the west.....If Noah was accounted righteous because he believed God, ......If Abraham was righteous because he believed God, ........if Lot was accounted because he believed God........and if the the church (saints) are accounted righteous, not because of anything they did, but because of what Jesus did via the death, burial, and resurrection. are accounted righteous....if Jesus says your sins are forgiven you,......then why would a righteous God pour out his wrath on the Bride of His beloved Son? Why would they not be accorded what they were promised by God, Himself? That their sins ( unrightousness) are forgiven them?

If IICorn; 15:51 and Thess 2 are speaking of calling forth the dead from the grave, then we which are alive and remain to meet him in the air, then go to the marriage supper, I do not see anything but a pre tribulation 'catching away' or 'snatching away' of that group of people who believed and had faith in Jesus. At that point the Holy sporty is removed from the earth and for 3 1/2 years lawless abound, so much so that if Jesus did not return there would be nothing left, and the angels and his saints make war against the dragon. It seems clear to me from reading the scripture. No one knows the day or the hour, but we are instructed (Matt. 24, Luke 21) to look up, see the signs of the times, for our redemption draws near).

Beautifully stated!

On your first paragraph, the pretrib wrath argument has been answered repeatedly by myself and others on this thread.

On your last paragraph, you need to go to my post 254, and deal with with what I said there. You have to go to Rev. 19:1-9 if you want to find out when the marriage supper of the Lamb takes place.

[[One is to make it evident to the whole world; that everyone would become aware it took place. The Holy Spirit does not specifically teach us what this event will be like exactly, it may very well be a loud announced event and it may not.]]

I always thought and was taught that that was how it would be- In recent years I’ve read things though that seem to indicate only the believers will see Him, and the unbelievers will be left wondering what happened- I don’t however think the evidence for that is too strong though- I still think the world will see, hear, and witness it and will still reject Him

[[The trumpet sound and a shout indicates an official “announcement.”]]

that was one thing about that history channel movie I mentioned- the sound (They actually did a cool job portraying the sound- every time the sound came, people knew something was about to happen- it was an eerie, otherworldy sound- it was a ‘special sound’ that just wasn’t natural, and the people in the movie knew something was about to go down once they caught on to the fact that the sound was ushering in plagues and such

[[This could make the event hidden from the world, millions would not be noticed missing because there would be more serious issues at hand. Then a deception could set in as various explanations are offered.]]

Yeah, I n that movie- the saved children disappeared (Something that isn’t inline with biblical teaching- not sure where Hagee gets that idea from- but whatever- ), the new media spun it such that the children had some weird photosensitivity and were ‘just hiding’ that they didn’t really disappear-

The news media also spun every major plague and disease that came along- with outrageous lies-

I can picture something like this happening i n the end times- It’s going to be incredible how gullible the world will become- God will send a powerful delusion and people will believe the most outrageous things in the last days-

[[Many have considered that if it is a known event this would cause fear, and some would come to the realization that what the Bible has said is true. If cars or airplanes crash all over the world because the drivers are missing it would certainly be major news. They then would have to come up with an alternate explanation to make sense out of why millions of people are missing.....]]

Which is how the movie portrayed it- Most people refused to believe, but a few slowly came to believe (but the movie had them disappear when they believed- like I said- the movie wasn’t spot on- but was kinda neat to see a visual of how things ‘could be’ In the end times- even if some of the movie was not correct, most of the movie seemed to be correct-ish)

[[the New age already has the explanation that mankind is going to make a quantum leap in consciousness, ]]

It could be that they will explain the disappearances and plagues away as being mass hallucinations as people are ‘reaching higher plateaus’ of consciousness

[[That UFO’s will remove the people who have a lower consciousness, which according to them are Christians.]]

Lol- yep- that is very likely how they are going to explain it- there is already a strong movement afoot to marginalize and denigrate CHristians as being ‘primitive’ in our thinking- not ‘evolved and progressive’, and therefore not ‘worthy of serious consideration’

[[Even if it were to occur this way it may not make such an impact.]]

I don’t think it’s going to make much of an impact on unbeleivers- I read a CHristian think tank article about people that are unsaved who have to kneel before God on judgement day- the article stated that these people are not going to go to hell and regret that they made a bad decision- they are going to dig in their heels and become even more furious with God- hence the gnashing of teeth in their uncontrollable fury-

I think there will be some who get saved, but the masses I think will still refuse to believe, even in the face of obvious supernatural God-Driven events- just like Pharaoh who knew God was behind events but refused to believe

[[So in a time while the world is being so called christianized this could take place. The fact is, a minority will be taken not the majority that claim to be the church.]]

That’s actually a good point- We know the ‘church’ will make an alliance with the antichrist- so the world will still have their ‘version of Christianity’ around- (What they think are Christians- who really are unsaved people aligning themselves with the evil one)- The world will see these ‘Christians’ compromising so severely that the ‘church’ no longer is recognizable, and therefore not a ‘threat’ to the unsaved- the church will be more fully accepted because the message of the church then will practically approve of every sin imaginable-

The explanation for the true Christian’s disappearances could be something along the liens of ‘they were radical terrorists, and the government finally got tired of dealing with them, and took care of them...” and the people will likely add “It’s about time someone did something about those far right radical nut jobs... they were dangerous!”

[[Understanding the Feast Times of Israel is a useful tool in getting at the Truth in Scriptures.]]

There is so much jewish history and customs intertwined into nearly all aspects of the bible, it’s incredible- We had a jewish scholar once come nad speak at our church, and the thigns he was bringing up just blew my mind- he spoke about the miracles- which we’re all ‘familiar’ with, but he showed how steeped in jewish customs and traditions they really were, and how significant the miracles truly were- EVERY Jew witnessing the miracles, or even hearing about htem knew immediately that Christ had to be the Son of God because the miracles were a dire3ct fulfillment and an exact Jewish-oriented event

in other words, they didn’t just see a miracle and go ‘oh, that’s cool’- they saw the miracles and knew immediately that the miracle was tied into Jewish tradition, and had meaning far above just a miraculous healing, or act- I wish I had kept the notes on it all- it was truly fascinating-

[[He will doubtless fulfill the Fall Feasts in the same fashion.]]

And once again when Christ comes back, the Jews will I believe immediately know He truly is the Christ because Christ will perform very specific miracles and acts which are steeped in Jewish tradition- they will immediately understand the significance of the miracles, only this time they won’t reject Him- they will fall on their knees and worship Him

I will only say that judgement comes. But there will by no General Judgement. There all be judgement of the saints, all of who are saved, but who have been given one of 5 crowns, (or no crowns). These will be tried by fire, whether wood, hay, stubble, brass, silver, or gold, but all are save. Then there will be the judgement of the wicked who have rejected the call of the Holy Spirit and refused His grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Those will be judged at the Great White Thrown Judgement (Rev. 20:11).....and the books were opened....the Book of Life (saints) and the books were opened and they were judged according to what was written in the books according to their works. (law)

There is no General Judgement because the Bible speaks of judgement being is the Air (Matt. 25: 31-46) The Judgent Seat of Christ, The Throne of Glory, The Great White Throne.

There are five general aspects which differentiate them. These include the subjects of the judgement (i.e. believers) , time, Place, (i.e Calvary), Basis of Judgement (i.e.Christs finished work), Results (i.e.Justicication of the believer).

The above examples are not, in any way complete, but are simply examples.

I have to go now. Thank you.

bkmk

No, you have it backwards.

The angels took Lot out of the city leading him by the hand, they were taken, not left.

Noah went into the ark but God closed the door and sent the rain that took those in the ark away from those that were left.

The ones that were left were not removed, they stayed where they were, in the area of judgment and died.

You are so right about that!

May I add some other little “conveniences” and incremental innovations that could very easily lead to “The Mark of the beast”:
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Let me add emphasis to the relevant part of my previous post via uppercase lettering.

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These are just some of the things promised (AND IN SOME CASES ALREADY DELIVERED) by advanced mobile and tracking technologies.

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The biggest thing missing from the current technologies that is needed for a sub-dermal implant is a near complete database centralization. That’s much easier to accomplish than the first steps that were required, and it’s well on it’s way.

Bank centralization? Eliminate all other banks just like all medical insurance companies are being eliminated today, making the Federal government into the de facto insurer. Accelerated by a horrific financial crisis, of course - it doesn’t even matter if the crisis is real (see September 2008).

The other thing that subdermal implants do is make it impossible to steal money or make illegal purchases. Street robberies gone, drug cartel influence gone, etc. Alternatively, food purchases, medicine purchases, or anything else the government decides you don’t need if you oppose it can be made “illegal”... for you, that is.

Finally, with the correct implant technology, you can be tracked anywhere a satellite or cell tower can reach. Great if you’re an abducted kidergartener, not so great if you’re a political fugitive who is guilty of wrongthink.