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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; Springfield Reformer; Mark17
I am certain you have read the Gospel of John. Do you have any idea the reality of Jesus Christ as The Word with God in the Beginning, through Whom all things were made that were made? Was Jesus in a human body then, in the benginning?

As you assert that Mary 'carried God in her womb', think about the implications of such an assertion with regard to the 'body' Jesus Christ had when He was with God in the Beginning. Is it possible that Mary carried in her womb 'a' body into which Jesus Christ would come in whatever body form He had in the beginning with God? Being the vessel He would come into, the Holy Spirit prepared a body for The Christ. That does not mean the body was already God in Mary's womb. The Bible even states that very concept with 'behold, though hast prepared for me a body'.

These sorts of though lines are so difficult for a magic mystery religion adherent because they step past learning what the Word of God actually teaches to hide behind the 'it's a mystery I just was never meantr to understand but my leaders might answer that for you.'

95 posted on 06/26/2015 8:27:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
As you assert that Mary 'carried God in her womb...

Rahab 'carried' Mary in HER womb; too.

102 posted on 06/26/2015 9:43:58 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; metmom; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; Springfield Reformer; Mark17
The Word, the Second Person of the Trinity, is God, and existed before time was even created, and is eternal, infinite, co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and He has no beginning and no end. He is one in nature with the Father and the Spirit, One God.

The Word incarnate, is Jesus Christ.

Mary, a human person with a human nature, is a creature, and did not exist until she was conceived in her mother's womb, and is mortal, finite, infinitely lesser than God her Creator, and has the same nature her ancestors Adam and Eve had: a human nature.

Mary did not carry the Trinity Incarnate in her womb. (The Trinity is not incarnate.) She carried the Second Person, the Word incarnate.

One doesn't carry and give birth to a "nature". (Doctor in delivery room: "Congratulations! It's a Nature!"??!) One carries and gives birth to a Person. Since He is God --- a Divine Person --- she carried God.

That does not mean that Mary is the eternal source of the Word, or that she's older than the Word, or that she came before the Word, or that she is equal to the Word's divine nature.

It does mean that He Who always existed, in the fullness of time assumed a human nature, became flesh and was born of the Virgin Mary, by the power of the Holy Spirit. ("Behold, thou hast prepared for me a body.") She is his genetic mother, His gestational mother, His birth-mother, His legal mother, His nurturant nursing-mother, and his maternal-attachment-social-emotional mother.

In short, she's His mother.

She is His creature and His handmaid and His disciple.

He is her Son, her Baby, her Lord, her little Boy, her God, her Source, her Creator, her Savior.

Any other questions?

I never tire of explaining this.

P.S. the title "Theotokos" = "God-bearer" - "Mother of Gods" was officially approved at the Council of Ephesus, for the explicit purpose of refuting Nestorius, who (as I understand it) said that Jesus did not have a human soul and was thus neither "true Man" nor "true God," but rather He's two different persons in one body: a kind of multiple-personality disorder. The Council said, no, He is one Person.

Thus, historically, the title "Mother of God" was never intended to tell us something about Mary, but rather to tell us something about Jesus: that he is not two different persons.

105 posted on 06/26/2015 11:19:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To know Thee is complete righteousness; to know Thy power is the root of immortality. - Wisdom 15:3)
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