[JPII Be Not Afraid]

No, it is pointless to go through this over and over. It is a great big never ending circle. The only facts you have presented are ones you believe are true. I know what I believe is true. You listed the councils where truth has been defined and thus protected by the Holy Spirit over the last 2000 years. Truth is found in the bible and tradition. You have what? Your interpretation of the bible. Thats it. No authority, no safe guard of the truth, only you.

[metmom]

No, not only me.

The Word.

The word is Truth, not the Catholic church and its councils.

[MHGinTN]

If you ever read Acts 15 you will discover that the letter sent from the first great church council stated openly that 'it seemed good to the Holy Spirit' the new born from above refrain from blood. Now, do you really think that such a thing FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT should be contradicted in the cahtolic Eucharist? Is the god of catholicism double-minded that he cannot figure out if blood is allowed or not, such that the First great church council forbade eating blood? Let the spirit guide you. God is being mocked in this sacrilege. He made it clear FOR ALL THEIR GENERATIONS (Genesis 9 then Leviticus 3:17) NEveR DRINK THE BLOOD for the life is in the blood of the creature and of man. Jesus's blood was shed, poured out for us and sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat to cover the law of sin and death. Jesus Himself said to take the cup OF WINE and the PIECE OF BREAD in REMEMBRANCE of whaty He was going to do the next day. 'As far as we can tell' the command regrading blood for all the generations of Israel included Jesus and He had not yet sealed the new covenant for His blood had not yet been shed when they ate the Passover meal.

[MHGinTN]

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers (Acts 15)

22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.

Now, the authority claimed By James and the Council IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, telling these new Christians to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, AND FROM BLOOD. But the catholic priest holds a cup you are ordered to believe has the LITERAL blood of Christ in it and to drink it. THAT is substituting the sacrilege for the sacred.

[Elsie]

<>The only facts you have presented are ones you believe are true. I know what I believe is true.

Of COURSE you do!

We are merely trying to find out what you believe is based on FACTS!

[Elsie]

I know what I believe is true.

Uh...

Which is it?

You KNOW?

Or you BELIEVE?