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To: metmom

What you say is true, the perception of the church to out siders does look like it is in a state of confusion. But, I put my faith in God, not in man. God said he would protect the church’s teachings from error and that He has done. People can preceive the church has changed it’s teachings but it has not. There are a lot of people, includimg priests and bishops, who distort the truths pf the faith for their own agenda, but that is why we must know our faith inside and out so we can discern error. It does get frustrating for us faithful Catholics to see our church portrayed as such a chaotic mess by human scandals, it discourages people from seeing the truth and beauty of what the church truly is. So we are told to pray for all and hold to the truth. That is what we do.


166 posted on 06/24/2015 5:44:34 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
Which teachings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Ecumenical_Councils

1 Ecumenical Councils of Antiquity

1.1 First Council of Nicaea
1.2 First Council of Constantinople
1.3 Council of Ephesus
1.4 Council of Chalcedon
1.5 Second Council of Constantinople
1.6 Third Council of Constantinople
1.7 Second Council of Nicaea
1.8 Fourth Council of Constantinople

2 Papal Councils during the Middle Ages

2.1 First Council of the Lateran
2.2 Second Council of the Lateran
2.3 Third Council of the Lateran
2.4 Fourth Council of the Lateran
2.5 First Council of Lyon
2.6 Second Council of Lyon
2.7 Council of Vienne

3 Councilarism

3.1 Council of Constance
3.2 Councils of Basel, Ferrara and Florence
3.3 Fifth Council of the Lateran

4 Council of Trent

5 First Vatican Council

6 Second Vatican Council

169 posted on 06/24/2015 6:21:14 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

The Catholic church’s teachings HAVE changed over the last 2,000 years, and bailing on the discussion isn’t going to change that facts.

It just prevents you from confronting them.


176 posted on 06/24/2015 6:34:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid; metmom
It does get frustrating for us faithful Catholics to see our church portrayed as such a chaotic mess by human scandals, it discourages people from seeing the truth and beauty of what the church truly is.

It is very telling that catholics seem to always speak of the truth and beauty of the "church".....rarely do we hear of the thankfulness of what Christ has done for us.

Why is it always about the "church" with catholics? Who do they love more....the roman catholic church or Christ?

There is a difference.

183 posted on 06/24/2015 6:42:37 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
But, I put my faith in God, not in man.

How about WOMAN?

Do you dutifully do your daily Hail Marys??

207 posted on 06/25/2015 2:51:41 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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