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To: ADSUM

Hi!

Your heresy charge made me laugh.

That’s when you lost the debate. Instead of making an empty and meaningless charge, defend your faith! If you can’t defend what you believe with more than feeling, speculation, and changing traditions; if you can’t defend your faith with God’s Word, then CHANGE WHAT YOU BELIEVE!

Now, address these points instead of changing the subject:

1. The Sacrifice of Jesus Can Not Be Repeated. And there’s No NEED to Repeat It. Hebrews 7:26,27; 9:24-28 The Catholic church offers the sacrifice of Jesus on a weekly basis through the Mass. The Bible says that the sacrifice of Christ was: Hebrews 9:11-15 – Once for all. Hebrews 9:26 – Once to remove sin. 9:28 – Offered once. 10:10 Once for all. 10:11-12 One sacrifice for sins. 10:14 – One offering 10:15-20 – No longer any need for a sacrificial offering. Why do the Catholics continue to offer to God that which He calls unnecessary?

2. Jesus Could Not Offer a Sacrifice as Priest on Earth before He Died. Hebrews 7:12-14, 9:15,16; Col. 2:14

3. The Doctrine of the Mass Contradicts the Nature of True Miracles. John 2:1-11 (”Mmmm - That’s some GOOD wine!”)

4. Eating Jesus’ Literal Flesh and Blood Would Constitute Blood Drinking and Cannibalism. Leviticus 17:6-14; Acts 15:29

5. There Is No Special Priesthood to Offer a Sacrifice Today. 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 1:6; Hebrews 13:15

6. Jesus Himself Identified the Cup to Be “Fruit of the Vine” After He Said It Was His Blood. Matthew 26:29; Paul reiterates the point. 1 Corinthians 11:23-28

7. The Communion with Jesus’ Body and Blood Is Spiritual in Nature. 1 Corinthians 10:16, 18, and 20
Jesus tells us that he is speaking metaphorically. Jesus often spoke in metaphorical language. He called the religious leaders “blind guides” (Mt. 23:16), he called Herod a “fox” (Lk. 13:32), and he called himself a “door” (Jn. 10:7) and a “vine” (Jn. 15:1). None of these symbols should are considered to be literal. Likewise, in this passage, we know that Jesus was speaking metaphorically, because he later says, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life” (Jn. 6:63).

8. “Eucharist” means what it says: “Thanks!”


172 posted on 06/16/2015 4:18:27 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Your comment: “Your heresy charge made me laugh.”

Perhaps it should make you cry if you reject God’s word and accept an erroneous understanding.

I have defended the Catholic Faith as best I could and there is plenty of information from Catholic sites.

1. Mass is offered daily throughout the world. The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist. The first Christians knew that it was a sacrifice and proclaimed this in their writings. They recognized the sacrificial character of Jesus’ instruction, “Do this in remembrance of me” (Touto poieite tan eman anamnasin; Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24–25) which is better translated “Offer this as my memorial offering.”

2. Read the Gospels about the Last Supper.

3.Read and understand the words of Jesus. You can accept this teaching and become a Catholic and truly receive the Body and Blood of Jesus.

4. See above. Again you are making a serious mistake/allegation against the word of Jesus. You seem to to be like other followers in the Bible that could not agree with his words and left Jesus and did not follow Him further.

5. I disagree. There are Bishops and Priests who are the successors of the Apostles. They followed Christ’s directions to go forth Baptize and spread the Good News.

6. Yes He said that after He said

Then he took a cup, gave thanks,* and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, 28l for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. 29* I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.”

“I am the true vine,* and my Father is the vine grower.a 2He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes* so that it bears more fruit.

7. That which is “spiritual,” or “spirit” used as an adjective as we see in John 6:63, does not necessarily refer to that which has no material substance. It often means that which is dominated or controlled by the Spirit. For example, when speaking of the resurrection of the body, St. Paul writes: “It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body” (I Cor. 15:44). Does this mean we will not have a physical body in the resurrection

8. Eucharist is the human and divine Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus words, “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail” refers to the truth that it is only the Spirit that can accomplish the miracle of the Eucharist and it is only the Holy Spirit that can empower us to believe the miracle.

Seek the Truth and with the help of the Holy Spirit, I hope that you will understand the teachings of Jesus Christ that will lead you to sharing Heaven with Him.


190 posted on 06/16/2015 8:18:34 AM PDT by ADSUM
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