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To: kinsman redeemer

Your comment: “Your heresy charge made me laugh.”

Perhaps it should make you cry if you reject God’s word and accept an erroneous understanding.

I have defended the Catholic Faith as best I could and there is plenty of information from Catholic sites.

1. Mass is offered daily throughout the world. The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist. The first Christians knew that it was a sacrifice and proclaimed this in their writings. They recognized the sacrificial character of Jesus’ instruction, “Do this in remembrance of me” (Touto poieite tan eman anamnasin; Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24–25) which is better translated “Offer this as my memorial offering.”

2. Read the Gospels about the Last Supper.

3.Read and understand the words of Jesus. You can accept this teaching and become a Catholic and truly receive the Body and Blood of Jesus.

4. See above. Again you are making a serious mistake/allegation against the word of Jesus. You seem to to be like other followers in the Bible that could not agree with his words and left Jesus and did not follow Him further.

5. I disagree. There are Bishops and Priests who are the successors of the Apostles. They followed Christ’s directions to go forth Baptize and spread the Good News.

6. Yes He said that after He said

Then he took a cup, gave thanks,* and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, 28l for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. 29* I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.”

“I am the true vine,* and my Father is the vine grower.a 2He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes* so that it bears more fruit.

7. That which is “spiritual,” or “spirit” used as an adjective as we see in John 6:63, does not necessarily refer to that which has no material substance. It often means that which is dominated or controlled by the Spirit. For example, when speaking of the resurrection of the body, St. Paul writes: “It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body” (I Cor. 15:44). Does this mean we will not have a physical body in the resurrection

8. Eucharist is the human and divine Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus words, “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail” refers to the truth that it is only the Spirit that can accomplish the miracle of the Eucharist and it is only the Holy Spirit that can empower us to believe the miracle.

Seek the Truth and with the help of the Holy Spirit, I hope that you will understand the teachings of Jesus Christ that will lead you to sharing Heaven with Him.


190 posted on 06/16/2015 8:18:34 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Know this before you read, ONLY those who are overcoming, who are overcomers, have the Holy Spirit seal and His Spirit indwelling them, being raised up in the way that they should go; in His presence no flesh shall be glorified, so the Holy Spirit seal is a basic requirement ... Rev 2:1-8 ‘To the messenger of the Ephesian assembly write: These things saith he who is holding the seven stars in his right hand, who is walking in the midst of the seven lamp-stands — the golden:

2 I have known thy works, and thy labour, and thy endurance, and that thou art not able to bear evil ones, and that thou hast tried those saying themselves to be apostles and are not, and hast found them liars, and thou didst bear, and hast endurance, and because of my name hast toiled, and hast not been weary. ‘But I have against thee: That thy first love thou didst leave! remember, then, whence thou hast fallen, and reform, and the first works do; and if not, I come to thee quickly, and will remove thy lamp-stand from its place — if thou mayest not reform; but this thou hast, that thou dost hate the works of the Nicolaitans, that I also hate. He who is having an ear — let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: To him who is overcoming — I will give to him to eat of the tree of life that is in the midst of the paradise of God.

194 posted on 06/16/2015 9:08:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM

199 posted on 06/16/2015 9:22:41 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: ADSUM; kinsman redeemer
. Mass is offered daily throughout the world. The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist.

It is NOT a true sacrifice because Jesus didn't come to this earth so that we humans would have something to offer to God as a sacrifice for our sins in the same manner that the Jews brought their animals to the sacrifices at the Temple.

It's also not a true sacrifice because the catechism states that it's bloodless, which invalidates it as a sacrifice. Without the shedding of blood, there is NO forgiveness of sins. If there is no blood in the sacrifice of the mass, as the CCC states there isn't, then it's just participation in a useless killing. Also, they are now forced into a position of telling us just where the blood of Christ that they claim they are eating, comes from.

Also Jesus died on a cross, He was NOT offered up by a human priest on an altar, so that even the method of allegedly participating in the sacrifice of Jesus is wrong.

Jesus came to pay the penalty for our sin Himself, of His own accord. He stated clearly that no man takes His life from him but that HE lays it down or His own free will.

The Passover was a commemorative meal of remembrance of what God did in delivering the Israelites out of the hands of the Egyptians, and likewise, the Last Supper is, too.

I was simply instituted BEFORE the event instead of during or after.

215 posted on 06/16/2015 11:56:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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