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To: CynicalBear

That is your opinion and it is wrong. It is a denial of the Word of the Lord. It is a denial of The Truth.

Your opinion is false and either heresy or incredulity. Although you may be in the stage of apostasy.

What Is Heresy?

Heresy is an emotionally loaded term that is often misused. It is not the same thing as incredulity, schism, apostasy, or other sins against faith. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him” (CCC 2089).


102 posted on 06/15/2015 2:56:33 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; RnMomof7; metmom; CynicalBear; Iscool; Springfield Reformer; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; ...

Prove that the commandment to never in any generation drink the blood is somehow cancelled for you and was cancelled before Jesus went to the cross. In the Upper room, the breaking of the bread and the passed cup of wine had to be just bread and wine because Jesus had not yet gone to the Cross. You are twisting scripture to fit the Catholic heresies, defending a blasphemous lie which commands Catholics to believe they are imbibing the actual fleash and blood of Christ! Are you so dense that you cannot see that in the Upper Room, Jesus had not yet died, so the bread and wine HAD TO BE METAPHORICAL. Show me where this was to no longer be metaphorical AFTER the Cross. Jesus broke bread with Luke and one other then vanished. If He had wanted us to be sure and cannibalize Him then and for the coming Church Age He would have explained such an important alteration to the commands before, to those disciples for whom he broke the bread.


109 posted on 06/15/2015 5:52:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM; CynicalBear

Heresy against Catholicism means little to people outside of it.

If someone isn’t convinced that the Catholic church is what it claims to be, then the charge is meaningless.

What’s important to Christians is whether the charge can be made of being against the teaching of Scripture, not the teaching of some denomination.


124 posted on 06/15/2015 6:47:10 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM

Hi!

Your heresy charge made me laugh.

That’s when you lost the debate. Instead of making an empty and meaningless charge, defend your faith! If you can’t defend what you believe with more than feeling, speculation, and changing traditions; if you can’t defend your faith with God’s Word, then CHANGE WHAT YOU BELIEVE!

Now, address these points instead of changing the subject:

1. The Sacrifice of Jesus Can Not Be Repeated. And there’s No NEED to Repeat It. Hebrews 7:26,27; 9:24-28 The Catholic church offers the sacrifice of Jesus on a weekly basis through the Mass. The Bible says that the sacrifice of Christ was: Hebrews 9:11-15 – Once for all. Hebrews 9:26 – Once to remove sin. 9:28 – Offered once. 10:10 Once for all. 10:11-12 One sacrifice for sins. 10:14 – One offering 10:15-20 – No longer any need for a sacrificial offering. Why do the Catholics continue to offer to God that which He calls unnecessary?

2. Jesus Could Not Offer a Sacrifice as Priest on Earth before He Died. Hebrews 7:12-14, 9:15,16; Col. 2:14

3. The Doctrine of the Mass Contradicts the Nature of True Miracles. John 2:1-11 (”Mmmm - That’s some GOOD wine!”)

4. Eating Jesus’ Literal Flesh and Blood Would Constitute Blood Drinking and Cannibalism. Leviticus 17:6-14; Acts 15:29

5. There Is No Special Priesthood to Offer a Sacrifice Today. 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 1:6; Hebrews 13:15

6. Jesus Himself Identified the Cup to Be “Fruit of the Vine” After He Said It Was His Blood. Matthew 26:29; Paul reiterates the point. 1 Corinthians 11:23-28

7. The Communion with Jesus’ Body and Blood Is Spiritual in Nature. 1 Corinthians 10:16, 18, and 20
Jesus tells us that he is speaking metaphorically. Jesus often spoke in metaphorical language. He called the religious leaders “blind guides” (Mt. 23:16), he called Herod a “fox” (Lk. 13:32), and he called himself a “door” (Jn. 10:7) and a “vine” (Jn. 15:1). None of these symbols should are considered to be literal. Likewise, in this passage, we know that Jesus was speaking metaphorically, because he later says, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life” (Jn. 6:63).

8. “Eucharist” means what it says: “Thanks!”


172 posted on 06/16/2015 4:18:27 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: ADSUM

You can scream all you want about cultist demands for submission but I follow Christ not Catholicism. I study scripture not cultist Catechisms. God commanded that blood not be eaten. Even under the new covenant the apostles continued that when they met in Jerusalem. Still Catholics think that the apostles sent letters to the churches to not eat blood then went around encouraging them to eat blood. The duplicity is amazing. Or should we say double tongued?


173 posted on 06/16/2015 4:18:48 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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