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INFALLIBILITY’S FATAL FLAW
White Horse Inn ^ | February 17, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

Posted on 06/13/2015 12:57:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Ever read Lorraine Boettner's Roman Catholicism -- the chapter on purgatory? He basically says that everyone at a Protestant funeral is happy (tain't so: I've been to a few) and everyone at a Catholic funeral is sad, because they know that they can expect regular visits from priests for months to extort Mass stipends from them with horrible tales of the suffering their loved one is undergoing in purgatory.

I remember sitting in the library (at a Proddie seminary!) reading that book, wondering what planet this guy lived on.

21 posted on 06/13/2015 2:52:44 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Rashputin

To use the technical term from Catholic theology: BINGO!


22 posted on 06/13/2015 2:53:34 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
People who are in the habit of interpreting Scripture to mean whatever suits their purpose at the moment see themselves as being above logic, truth, reality, and those other constraints mere mortals are limited by.

That's why someone will, for example, post all sorts of lies and slanders about the Catholic teaching on relics as proof of how horrible Catholicism is while at the same time selling blessed prayer hankies on their web site.

23 posted on 06/13/2015 3:16:25 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: RnMomof7

My favorite Pope! VERY serious about this work!


24 posted on 06/13/2015 3:18:37 PM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: SkyPilot

Oh yeah, that was at his posthumous trial. I wondered if that was the one with his three fingers chopped off.


25 posted on 06/13/2015 3:20:19 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris
Cromwell got pretty much the same treatment, worse in fact, when the Brits dug him up. Why there's a long history of people digging up corpses and publicly mutilating them is beyond me.

I especially don't understand why such things never fail to attract an approving audience.

26 posted on 06/13/2015 3:25:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Truly creepy behavior.


27 posted on 06/13/2015 3:40:42 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: RnMomof7

INFALLIBILITY

 

Freedom from error in teaching the universal Church in matters of faith or morals. As defined by the First Vatican Council, "The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra—that is, when in discharge of the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals; and therefore such definitions are irreformable of themselves, and not in virtue of consent of the Church" (Denzinger 3074).

The bearer of the infallibility is every lawful Pope as successor of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles. But the Pope alone is infallible, not others to whom he delegates a part of his teaching authority, for example, the Roman congregations.

The object of his infallibility is his teaching of faith and morals. This means especially revealed doctrine like the Incarnation. But it also includes any nonrevealed teaching that is in any way connected with revelation.

The condition of the infallibility is that the Pope speaks ex cathedra. For this is required that: 1. he have the intention of declaring something unchangeably true; and 2. he speak as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful with the full weight of his apostolic authority, and not merely as a private theologian or even merely for the people of Rome or some particular segment of the Church of God.

The source of the infallibility is the supernatural assistance of the Holy Spirit, who protects the supreme teacher of the Church from error and therefore from misleading the people of God.

As a result, the ex cathedra pronouncements of the Pope are unchangeable "of themselves," that is, not because others in the Church either first instructed the Pope or agree to what he says. (Etym. Latin in-, not + fallibilis; from fallere, to deceive: infallibilis, not able to deceive, or err.)

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.


28 posted on 06/13/2015 4:33:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

EPISCOPAL INFALLIBILITY

 

Preservation from error of the bishops of the Catholic Church. They are infallible when all the bishops of the Church are assembled in a general council or, scattered over the earth, they propose a teaching of faith or morals as one to be held by all the faithful. They are assured freedom from error provided they are in union with the Bishop of Rome and their teaching is subject to his authority. The scope of this infallibility, like that of the Pope, includes not only revealed truths but any teaching, even historical facts, principles of philosophy, or norms of the natural law that are in any way connected with divine revelation.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

 


29 posted on 06/13/2015 4:34:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7
The Papacy in Scripture – More Than Matthew 16
EXPLAINING THE IDEA OF INFALLIBILITY [Catholic Caucus]
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Papal Infallibility: A Symbolic, Yet Problematic, Term
Essays for Lent: Papal Infallibility
Radio Replies Second Volume - Infallibility
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Truth Handling: Infallibility
Radio Replies First Volume - Infallibility

Infallible Infallibility
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
Beginning Catholic: Infallibility: Keeping the Faith [Ecumenical]
Papal Infallibility [Ecumenical]
Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Pope: may all recognize true meaning of Peter’s primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH
Pope St. Leo the Great and the Petrine Primacy
The Epiphany of the Roman Primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH [Ratzinger]

30 posted on 06/13/2015 4:35:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: caww

Satan existed before we did, it seems. For this reason I am never impressed with old religions he invented (or goaded open minds to invent). He’s been at the religion game for a long time. Just like him, they will be judged and destroyed FOREVER. Yet for reasons known only to God He allows Satan to develop and energize them and, yes, deceive millions. Scripture says these millions are deceived because they refuse to love the truth.

A person born of the Spirit can spot the fakes quite easily because of the wisdom God gives as a GIFT. You don’t get it in seminary. God drops it into your spirit by the Spirit. We are under no obligation to make sense of the devil’s nonsense. Just to steer clear of it and warn others of the wrath that is coming for all who do not know God.


31 posted on 06/13/2015 5:17:19 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: chajin

lol...I know...for whatever reason my posts seem to double...had this happen once before and not sure what’s causing it. It’s annoying!


32 posted on 06/13/2015 5:23:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: CynicalBear

...”Catholics must submit their will and intellect to the magisterium”....

Frightened people do that when their faith isn’t strong enough in Christ, ....or their faith rests otherwise in reality......same with all the relics and statues...they need to hold onto to something tangible....


33 posted on 06/13/2015 5:27:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Other people who's faith isn't strong insist, in their pride, that their own personal version of Scripture and reality trump Christ's own commands. It's that same old cry, "Non Serviam!"
34 posted on 06/13/2015 5:33:14 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
.....Their own personal version of Scripture and reality trump Christ's own commands”.....

Or that of their teachers....it's the same with cults and all false religions. Just tweaked to suit their own program of indoctrination to retain, maintain, and recruit their memberships.

Unfortunately they include enough of true Christianity into their teachings which baits many who either have already ship wrecked their faith or have little to begin with. ..and especially those unfamiliar with the scriptures themselves.

I will say however, that the deceit that is happening today is especially tricky to spot....True Christians have become especially able to pick false teaching out that the enemy of men's souls has added to his arsenal by using popular or well respected men and woman to deliver a false message.

We see this in the Emergent Movement today. But Catholicism has always been so. Mingling truth with their own teachings to grow and retain the revenues and membership that sustain the hierarchy and priesthood.

35 posted on 06/13/2015 5:51:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

It is because I have faith in Jesus Christ that I accept the teachings of the church that he established promised to guide with the Holy Spirit. The Bible says that it is so and that is good enough for me.


36 posted on 06/13/2015 8:30:03 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Campion

Can you confirm how many times the pope has spoken ex cathedra?


37 posted on 06/13/2015 9:15:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius

The Catholic church teachings conflict with the Bible of which you speak... Would it not also be ‘good enough’ when it exposes the false teachings of the catholic church?


38 posted on 06/13/2015 10:39:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
The Catholic church teachings conflict with the Bible of which you speak... Would it not also be ‘good enough’ when it exposes the false teachings of the catholic church?

Unless you can claim infallibility for yourself I think that I will stick with the teachings of the church founded and guided by Jesus Christ. Frankly, I find the teachings of Protestantism so at variance with the Scriptures that I do not understand how anyone could reconcile the two.

39 posted on 06/14/2015 4:31:05 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: caww

John 20:29 ...Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”


40 posted on 06/14/2015 5:38:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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