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James Kugel at Pardes: 2 - The Book of Jubilees: the Oldest Commentary on the Book of Genesis
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Posted on 06/11/2015 3:25:44 PM PDT by RoosterRedux

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TOPICS: Activism; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: jameskugel; jubilees; kugel; nephilim
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This is pretty amazing. Wonderful for those of us interested in the study of the Old Testament...and the Book of Genesis.
1 posted on 06/11/2015 3:25:44 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Jews and Christians welcome.


2 posted on 06/11/2015 3:26:22 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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The Books of Enoch and Jubilees are worthy of study if only because of there fragments in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Many Biblical scholars consider them now confirmed.


3 posted on 06/11/2015 3:32:42 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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“there” s/b “their”...but of course, you know that.


4 posted on 06/11/2015 3:34:08 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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Thanks. Will take a look.


5 posted on 06/11/2015 3:36:54 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: RoosterRedux
The issue here is "are the Nephilim off-springs of the Sons of G-d" or not.

This is the seminal issue of the Jewish Synagogs and the Christian churches today.

We are at war...if we cannot identify our enemy, we are doomed to failure.

On the other hand...if we can ID our enemy...with God's [G-d's] help...we will be victorious!

6 posted on 06/11/2015 3:53:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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Thanks for posting this link. I took Dr. Kugel’s Old Testament course when I studied at Hebrew University a few years ago. He was my favorite Professor. He is a wonderful instructor. I love the breadth of his scholarship as well as the humble and genuine way he shares his knowledge. About 7 minutes into the video Dr. Kugel talks about a new book he has written, but because it is so expensive he encourages the audience to read it in the library. A genuine gentleman scholar.


7 posted on 06/11/2015 4:11:53 PM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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were they not drowned in the flood?


8 posted on 06/11/2015 4:15:42 PM PDT by huldah1776
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They were good swimmers.


9 posted on 06/11/2015 4:25:29 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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What is meant by “confirmed”? More than half of the Dead Sea Scrolls are not from the Biblical canon.


10 posted on 06/11/2015 4:40:19 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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Simple minded maybe, but Eph. 6 answered that question for Christians. If Jews don’t want to buy it, then well we told them, so what else is there to do. Let them worry about whether there are Nephilim or what they are. We do know what the devil can do and when the devil is faced square on in the name of Jesus he is forced to yield.


11 posted on 06/11/2015 4:41:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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He is a gentleman/scholar.

And a real scholar.

12 posted on 06/11/2015 4:43:41 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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What is meant by “confirmed”? More than half of the Dead Sea Scrolls are not from the Biblical canon.

What I meant by "confirmed" was that unlike the Book of Jasher, which was mentioned Joshua and 2 Samuel, manuscripts of the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch have been confirmed by Christian and Jewish scholars (like Prof Kugel) using fragments and handwriting and use of language as accurate translations of original documents that existed in BC.

OTOH, the existing Books of Jasher (there are several translations) are thought to be medieval forgeries and not the Book mentioned in the OT.

Though the Books of Jubilees and Enoch are not in Christian canon, they were held in high esteem by many before and at the time of Christ.

In fact, the Dead Sea Scrolls found were thought to have been hidden by the Essenes who, as you know, were very strict adherents to Judaism. It has been said that many of the early Christians came from the Essenes and that even Jesus was close to them if not one of them.

13 posted on 06/12/2015 3:54:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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Since the Catholic Church, who claims to have given us the Bible, did not include Jubilees and Enoch in the canon, the question seems settled.


14 posted on 06/12/2015 4:08:09 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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were they not drowned in the flood?

Apparent, depending you who you listen to, the bloodline continued after the Flood.

Was the gene in one or more of the wives of Noah's sons or did someone stow away on the ark? Who knows.

But, after the Flood, God did have the Israelites wipe out entire tribes of giants/Rephaim (every man, woman, child, and beast) of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, etc (Deuteronomy 20:16-18).

So the cleansing continued.

15 posted on 06/12/2015 4:09:05 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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The Books are apocryphal and not in the canon, but that doesn't mean that they are worthless for study. In fact, I think the Catholic Church holds the Book of Enoch in high esteem. In fact, IIRC, parts of the Book of Enoch are part of canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and early Church fathers relied on it as well.

There is much ancient Jewish literature, oral and written, outside the canon which was very much a part of Jewish worship since the time of Moses and even Noah. It sheds light on parts of the canon which are very brief. That's why Prof Kugel spent a big part of his career on the Book of Jubilees.

As an aside, though Prof Kugel is an Othodox Jew, he and his books are held in high regard by many Christian authorities on the Bible.

16 posted on 06/12/2015 4:24:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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As an aside, one of the greatest scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls (and the Books of Jubilees and Enoch) is Dr James Vanderkam of Notre Dame. I don't know if he is Catholic, but he publishes in a lot of Catholic journals and periodicals.

Dr Vanderkam is a favorite of Prof Kugel and is cited in this lecture on Jubilees as the leading authority.

17 posted on 06/12/2015 4:58:06 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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Enoch also puts Revelations in context. Lots of cryptic wording in each. It was read by many early Christians and, I think, is quoted in thee New Testament.


18 posted on 06/12/2015 9:14:29 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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Most Protestants take no account of Jewish writings after the time of Ezra. But unless they read the Apocrypha (which were included in the early editions of the KJB but omitted since about 1650) they have to depend on Josephus to, shall we say, set the stage for the coming of Jesus. How many know, for instance, the history of the Hasmonean dynasty which preceded the Herodians?


19 posted on 06/12/2015 9:23:00 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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Thanks for posting this. Kugel is a fascinating scholar, and I’m now listening to the whole series of lectures.


20 posted on 06/12/2015 4:23:28 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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