Posted on 05/28/2015 7:40:25 PM PDT by annalex
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Isn't THAT the truth!
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Thank you for posting this story, annalex. I appreciate it.
IMO the church is doomed until the members accept that a communist liberation theologist leads them and a Christian does not. And do something to save their church, their faith and their history.
With this renunciation to judge, this 'sentence which has been abused by many media, Pope Francis did damage to the Church,' stressed another interlocutor from the Vatican with whom I met for lunch in Trastevere. 'He has, without intending it, favored the advance of the homosexual lobby which he claims to fight.'
"Who am I to judge?" was pulled out of a longer statement in which Francis said first: "After I give absolution - who am I to judge?"
Of course, he is right because after absolution it is no longer in his hands but it is in God's hands.
The media conveniently twists everything that comes out of his mouth, so how can I judge what he says when I only get part of the story?
The Pope is no threat to the stability of the church at all....the church is 2,015 years old, has gone through MANY trying periods and has come out just fine. Pope Francis is being harshly judged, even by me, for his views of things political and some environmental issues....That being said, he is just a man and is certainly entitled to speak based on his own experiences....he came from a somewhat socialist area and is thus skeptical of capitalism.
He'll do just fine...watch and see.(and pray for him!!!!)
That is true, but there was no clarification later.
I do think that His Holiness does not get credit for his bubbly Latino personality, when people criticize his occasional rashness or ability to provide leftwing-pleasing soundbites inside a solid larger context. But when some light-hearted remark gets distorted so systematically, and there is no correction from Rome, the distortion effectively becomes the genuine statement.
This somewhat softens my bewilderment of Pope Francis, who imho, has been appearing to be either innocently and stupidly being used by the gay mafia, or appearing as a coward of the first order, or a genius who is insidiously culpable himself in advancing their agenda and simply looks innocent, as well as his other political issues such as climate change, and licensing illicit second “marriages”, all signaling harassment of capitalism, the promotion of liberation theology (disguised nicely as ecumenicalism and “unity”) and to generally promote socialism.
It is one of these. After reading this version, possibly he is a coward, a useful idiot, seeking the love and hearts of men and unwilling to supply admonishment in hope of their salvation. Perhaps he is being “worked over”, by the nefarious forces. And then, maybe not. He is truly an enigma.
I do also believe we probably have the pope we deserve, given that the faith is barely recognizable as Catholic any longer, after having been steeped in Modernism for at least five decades. What is left is what we learn on our own volition from antiquity, the pre-Nicene era, the Early Church writings, early popes, the saints, the ancient homilies, the Didache, etc.
One can’t learn that at the Church anymore. It might compete with the social justice agenda.
Considering you have Catholics questioning, rightly, his actions, I’d say stability is already a problem.
None of those questionable things involve matters of Catholic dogma. So stability of the Church as a social group may indeed be elusive, but it is not at all a new phenomenon. We’ve seen worse: the Western Schism, iconoclasm, entire monastic orders suppressed, Catholic splinter groups forming left and right. The stability of the Church as a supernatural body of the faithful on earth and in heaven, however, cannot be threatened by this, and is not. The pope’s still Catholic.
Wow.
Oh? Having global warming and homosexuality injected into Catholicism isn’t something new? It doesn’t directly conflict with the Bible or established dogma? Thats just two. What about catering to Islam while Christians and specifically Catholics are slaughtered by the thousands??
The popes of old could be hooked to turbines and generate electricity as they must be spinning in their graves at sufficient RPM by now.
It is entirely possible for a good Catholic to believe in global warming theories, recognize that homosexuals have rights and are children of God, or seek mutual understanding with other religions. None of that is a dogmatic contradiction, however unfortunate some such positions may be.
Every Christian I ever learned from, Including RC priests in my youth taught us that a lie was a lie. I was taught to resist evil and to call out liars. Global warming is a lie as are it’s proponents liars and homosexuals are to be opposed, not given privileges and acceptance. We don’t have to hate them, just not help them continue down evil’s road. And this pope is.
I am at the point where I don’t feel like paying attention to anything the media says about him.
I try to save this kind of discussion to here. Which brings me to a question I have: with the upcoming synod and the confusion and scandal it will surely bring, not to mention the many European Bishops' conferences darn near in schism how does one talk about these issues to those who we would consider nominal Catholics?
Yes, I remember his comment that we need dialog when christians area being slaughtered by the thousands.
Dialog with someone who wants to kill you?
I’m waiting for his global warming statement. I plan on sending a note to my bishop to let him know that I’m on board, I’ll stop using my evil car and my evil money on Sundays to help heal the earth.
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