Pope Francis Tells Couples To Wait Until Marriage To Have Sex

Breitbart.com ^ | May 28, 2015 | Thomas D. Williams, PH.D

[Biggirl]

In his weekly audience Wednesday, Pope Francis gave dating couples some radically countercultural advice, encouraging them to hold off on sex until they are properly married. While the Pope’s words merely reiterated traditional Christian teaching on sex, they clash with a reigning mentality that advocates any and all sexual activity, provided it is consensual.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The Telegraph (UK), the Advocate (Yuck) and many other publications too often have there heads up their asterisk.

Once again, Terry Mattingly over at GetReligion (LINK) has got the goods on these asinine journalists.

[Petrosius]

Sorry to say this, but the 50’s are long gone, thanks to the late 60’s and onward. The Pope is urinating against the tide.

Nor are we living in the 1st century when the world was pagan, sexual immorality was rampant and killing people in a public arena was considered family entertainment. The mission of the church is not to leave people where they are but to spread the Gospel and lead them to where they belong.

Trying to control human sexual desire in long term relationships? It doesn’t work out, nature takes it’s course.

A fallen human nature that can be raised up by God's grace.

What if we don’t want to marry, we should go without sex for life?

Yes. Believe it or not we can live without sex. To wish to enjoy the pleasures of sex without the accepting its ends of uniting a couple in a permanent union of love and of bearing and raising children is inherently selfish. This selfishness is a turning away from God and a rebellion against his will.

How did we all get here anyway, when did all these sex rules come into play and why?

Your Creator. Next question.

What we have here, is a war against hormones.

What we have here is a war against sin and a call to holiness. If you want to reject the commandments of God just say so and live with the (eternal) consequences.

[ebb tide]

It appears neither you nor Francis understand Catholic teaching. The “tendency”, itself, is a problem.

The Church’s document, The Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, notes that sexual attraction to persons of the same sex is “ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

I understand that a homosexual orientation, in itself, is objectively and intrinsically disordered. Men with a homosexual orientation should never be admitted to the seminary to begin with.

But I would suggest that if a man is a vowed celibate and has indeed kept his vow, continuing in purity of life, he is not, in the operative sense of the word, a homosexual, even in orientation: that is, if he does not find his "identity" in the concept of "homosexual" and does not entertain it even in his mind.

In such case, I would say that by God's grace he has been freed from, and has overcome, a disordered orientation.

[ebb tide]

Men with a homosexual orientation should never be admitted to the seminary to begin with.

But Francis disagrees with you with his,"Who am I to judge?". He appointed a twinkle-toes to be house mother of Domus Sanctæ Marthæ and despite vast local protests, he promoted another in Chile.

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[GilesB]

From Bringbackthedraft’s post where he asks didn’t one of the Popes make the rules (about sex)

[ebb tide]

But I would suggest that if a man is a vowed celibate and has indeed kept his vow, continuing in purity of life, he is not, in the operative sense of the word, a homosexual, even in orientation: that is, if he does not find his "identity" in the concept of "homosexual" and does not entertain it even in his mind.

You're suggesting a whole lot of stuff that Francis never has. Francis is too worried about Christ faking anger in the temple or the Blessed Mother feeling betrayed at the Crucifixion, than to care what homos are "thinking" about.

Did you not read the interim report of the first SinNod?

The Synod Fathers noted that homosexual persons have gifts and talents to offer the Christian community and that pastoral outreach to them is an important educative challenge.

Or how about this one:

In the report, the Synod Fathers also reaffirm that same-sex unions cannot be considered equal to matrimony.

Sodomite unions not equal to matrimony?? What kind of comparative statement is that?

And it was Francis who ordered that perverted report to be published and recorded, despite being voted down by the quorum of bishops.

Humble Jorge loves collegiallity, unless it doesn't go his way.

[GilesB]

Before you start refuting what I said, you best read what I said. If you find that I said that premarital size will cause every marriage to fail, I will give you $100,000.

I said it reduces the chances of a successful marriage. Just like your car won’t always break down when you don’t check the oil and water, but it increases the chances that it will.

The statistics are very clear - and you actually touched on it unknowingly. As premarital sex has become more common, the fewer marriages last.

It’s true, and it doesn’t really matter if you like that truth or not. Just like it doesn’t matter if you don’t want to check your oil.

And yes, you can teach your children not to have premarital sex, and yes, they can resist the temptation. Your final statement is a fallacy.

[Slambat]

“asinine journalists”

No doubt.

I appreciate the link and it does try to put into context
what the pope said. I believe that Christianity in general
and the Catholic Church are a sound basis for our morals
and principals in our society. It is, without a doubt under
attack by the liberal left simply because it’s part of
the foundation of America. If a communist plant can be placed
in the Witehouse, then it may be the case at the Vatican
as well. Your article put in perspective one of the popes quotes
but there are many more. There’s the gay priest issue and the
anti-capitalist issue as well.

[DungeonMaster]

He got this one right.

[Slambat]

“And for that reason liberals have tried for years to destroy the Church.”

The same with America. They even got their own communist plant
in the Whitehouse. You don’t think it’s possible they could
have done the same thing at the Vatican? It may very well
be that someone has the goods on Francis. This is not
the Catholic Church I talking about here, it’s the pope.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"...want [a religion] with no sex before marriage? Agrhhhhhhh. LOL!!! What we have here, is a war against hormones."

Actually, what we have is a war against tyrannical passions. And by "tyrannical" "passions" I mean strong, driving, unrelenting emotions, whether arrogance, avarice, lust, envy, greed, anger, gluttony --- I mean all the overwhelming feelings. Look at an 18 month old child pitching a tantrum, and you'll know what I mean.

These passions are out of whack: sometimes one, sometimes the other; sometimes way in the past, sometimes in the future.

The main task of personal maturity is to get them under control, so that,chastened and harnessed, THEY serve YOU, and YOU don't serve THEM.

Yes, this is the main task of maturity --- growing up past the "I want what I want when I want it" stage --- and one of the main tasks of this project we call "civilization."

[Mrs. Don-o]

Tha's why I keep a bookmark on GetReligion, where I go fairly frequently to get some penetrating scoops. They're kind of a fact-check of religious journalism.

[Biggirl]

Then it comes back again, 10 years later when that 18 month old child is on the cusp of the teen years when they really start to test those in authority and is fighting raging hormones.

[Mrs. Don-o]

So true! How well I remember!