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To: ebb tide
I understand that a homosexual orientation, in itself, is objectively and intrinsically disordered. Men with a homosexual orientation should never be admitted to the seminary to begin with.

But I would suggest that if a man is a vowed celibate and has indeed kept his vow, continuing in purity of life, he is not, in the operative sense of the word, a homosexual, even in orientation: that is, if he does not find his "identity" in the concept of "homosexual" and does not entertain it even in his mind.

In such case, I would say that by God's grace he has been freed from, and has overcome, a disordered orientation.

44 posted on 05/28/2015 5:27:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watching." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Men with a homosexual orientation should never be admitted to the seminary to begin with.

But Francis disagrees with you with his,"Who am I to judge?". He appointed a twinkle-toes to be house mother of Domus Sanctæ Marthæ and despite vast local protests, he promoted another in Chile.

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45 posted on 05/28/2015 5:45:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (Defense of the papacy is always admirable; defense of the officeholder, not always so.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But I would suggest that if a man is a vowed celibate and has indeed kept his vow, continuing in purity of life, he is not, in the operative sense of the word, a homosexual, even in orientation: that is, if he does not find his "identity" in the concept of "homosexual" and does not entertain it even in his mind.

You're suggesting a whole lot of stuff that Francis never has. Francis is too worried about Christ faking anger in the temple or the Blessed Mother feeling betrayed at the Crucifixion, than to care what homos are "thinking" about.

Did you not read the interim report of the first SinNod?

The Synod Fathers noted that homosexual persons have gifts and talents to offer the Christian community and that pastoral outreach to them is an important educative challenge.

Or how about this one:

In the report, the Synod Fathers also reaffirm that same-sex unions cannot be considered equal to matrimony.

Sodomite unions not equal to matrimony?? What kind of comparative statement is that?

And it was Francis who ordered that perverted report to be published and recorded, despite being voted down by the quorum of bishops.

Humble Jorge loves collegiallity, unless it doesn't go his way.

47 posted on 05/28/2015 6:03:21 PM PDT by ebb tide (Defense of the papacy is always admirable; defense of the officeholder, not always so.)
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