[piusv]

This is true on one level, and not true on another. People killed for faith in Christ, even if that faith didn’t conform to Catholic doctrine, have always been regarded as true Christian martyrs

Please cite Catholic teaching (pre-Vatican II) to support this.

[Jim Noble]

Baptism of blood

[metmom]

There isn't any.

This is what I've found.

Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart `into everlasting fire...unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that..no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”— Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council), Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441 (Florentine style), [considered infallible by some]

[Elsie]

Please cite Catholic teaching (pre-Vatican II) to support this.

WHAT??!!??

Don't you KNOW that Catholics do NOT challenge each other publically?

That's what FreepMail is for!!!

[Grateful2God]

This sounds like the typical “a versus b” forum now. Fact is, the Roman Catholic Church is still just that, pre and post Vatican II. Obedience and trust in the Holy Spirit’s guidance of the Church is imperative now, as it always has been! He is still the Successor of Peter!