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To: NYer

American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.


3 posted on 05/15/2015 6:50:51 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: 9thLife
American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

What? How about posting a source for that accusation.

5 posted on 05/15/2015 7:05:57 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: 9thLife
Maybe in the churches you have attended but not the ones I have attended.

Move to Rockford, Illinois. Attend St. Mary's Oratory which has the Tridentine Mass and nothing but. You will find no anti-Americanism. You will also find little American cheerleading. We attend, as Catholics, to worship the one true God: Father, Son and Holy Ghost and to have the Faith explained eloquently by our pastor against a background of traditional Church music of Mozart, Palestrina, Casale and many others provided by a well-rehearsed choir under a truly talented music director.

What's more, there are numerous Novus Ordo parishes where that rubric is as well demonstrated as it can be and the preaching is superb and quite Catholic as well. St. Patrick, St. James, St. Peter Cathedral, and others.

If you cannot move to Rockford, find a parish less objectionable where you are. If you are, in fact, Catholic in your beliefs, then your eternal life and the ultimate disposition of your soul should be far more important to you than any secular considerations. This life is transitory. Heaven or hell are forever.

I and my family moved here from Connecticut 15 years ago and we will never look back. Just the available clergy in this diocese and the dozens of seminarians on the way are justification enough.

There are numbers of Knights of Columbus Councils to choose from. The K of C and particularly is Fourth Degree are ever patriotic and publicly so.

So I would correct your sentence by adding the word "Some" at the beginning: Some American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America. Likewise, some in most denominations have been so taught.

God bless you and yours!

10 posted on 05/15/2015 7:41:59 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: 9thLife

How far up your azz did you have to reach for that comment?


12 posted on 05/15/2015 7:52:56 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: 9thLife
American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

Wrong! The media has been the one doing that, not the Church.

16 posted on 05/15/2015 8:39:24 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: 9thLife

Not at my Novus Ordo Masses.....partly in Latin.


22 posted on 05/15/2015 10:25:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 9thLife
American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

What country are you living? The Church has taught that Catholics have a duty to give loyalty and fidelity to their nation. See Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Immortale Dei for a more complete explanation.

As for American individualism what are you referring to? If all we're talking about is the classical ideal of American rugged individualism, the self-starter, the American can-do spirit that would be fine. However, I would suggest to you that iteration is no longer the dominant force in American society. And the Church on Earth must operate in the space and time it finds itself and deal with what is, and not what was.

What good is an American individualism which, in its current form, denies the dignity of the person, as a result of the proclaiming of individualism as the sole good that the society should orient itself apart from right reason and the Church? I would be disturbed to hear that form of individualism preached from the pulpit.

23 posted on 05/15/2015 10:49:00 AM PDT by JPX2011
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