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To: newfreep
I am not confused, just still living in the Old Testament era covenant worshiping God Himself without any middle-man. Man wants to use Jesus to absolve himself of his sin, and by offering salvation and a free pass just for following Jesus who is their God is God.... Too bad so many Gentiles have chosen to put their own profit in place of the one the Jewish faithful are still awaiting, and then built up a nice story that you are forgiven.

I stand accountable to God. If in some small way, God is angry with me on the Christian judgement day for not worshiping Jesus (and here is the problem with Jesus), he will probably understand that I just worshiping Him in his pre-NT covenant where man is responsible to worship God, rather than follow the new profit that absolves sin. Sorely Confused, I think not.

42 posted on 05/05/2015 6:59:01 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper

I think you mean “prophet” **a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspirationrather;** than what you typed “profit,” **a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something**


48 posted on 05/06/2015 10:18:53 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Jumper; newfreep
**I am not confused, just still living in the Old Testament era covenant worshiping God Himself without any middle-man.**

That's not confusion. You referred to the "Jewish faithful" who await the Messiah. Jesus is seen by them, to the best of my knowledge, as a part of history, and God is referred to by them as, "G-d" as His Name is considered to holy to mention, even to write.

The confusion lies more in the perception of how we see Jesus.

I can only speak for Catholics, because I happen to be one. We believe, as John Paul II stated, that "the Jews are our elder brothers in the Faith." We have our Messiah in Jesus, and await His return in glory. We believe He is coeternal, equal in power, knowledge, and glory with YHWH, Who is The Father, and with The Holy Spirit. We believe He took on our human nature to die in reparation for our (those of all humanity) sins; found His Church with its Sacraments; and rise from the dead with a promise to return one day in glory. We don't regard Him as a prophet, but as part of God from all eternity.

** Man wants to use Jesus to absolve himself of his sin, and by offering salvation and a free pass just for following Jesus who is their God is God.... **

Again, I can only speak for what I as a Catholic believe. Trust me, this is no free pass! Jesus did not come to take away the Law and the Prophets, but to fulfill them. We believe that Jesus as the Messiah, at His first coming, made salvation available to all men, but that each one of us still has to work that salvation out with fear and trembling. It isn't a free, or easy road: it's an "all the while that you're awake, think before you act, examine your conscience, do the best you can, pray hard, confess your sins, make reparation, then go to sleep and begin the next day" kind of road. God is perfect: who can stand in His Presence? That is why Jesus took on a second nature in His Humanity. He did all in His earthly life, and gave all, for the greater honor and glory of God and the good of souls. We await His second coming, as the Jews await the coming of the Messiah- together.

51 posted on 05/06/2015 11:41:48 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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