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I see that you apparently don’t believe in Scripture.

• Augustine, sermon: "Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]: Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

I’m still not getting your point here. Are you saying that without Peters confession there wouldn’t be any Church? Peter and Peters confession alone is the sole foundation of Gods Church? Noone elses. It didn’t matter if the other 11 Apostles confessed, Jesus needed Peter to confess or He just wasted a trip down here?

Fr. Rotelle was a post VC II modernist. He was involved with the Church’s liturgical reform, which included the translation of texts for the Sacramentary and the Liturgy of the Hours, and worked on the International Committee on English in the Liturgy (ICEL). The same ICEL which deliberately mistranslated the Words of the Consecration.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Great quote by Augustine.

It is the “rock of revelation” on which the New Testament church is built; all believers are to walk in this spiritual authority; these types of “signs and wonders” are not to be sought — but are to follow believers. (”A wicked generation asks for a sign.”)

A way to look at Papacy purists in the Catholic church is to compare them to political elites; these are the “religious elites” who somehow believe they have a corner on God.

Fascinating how Augustine didn’t buy into the idea of infallible Papacy, but knew it was the same “rock of revelation” who inspired Peter that inspired him to “pick up the book and read.”

Augustine must have clearly understood we only have need for one intermediary between man and God... and that is Christ. Not the Pope or any religious leader. It’s all about each man and his relationship to God. It is so cool.

Also:

http://www.trustingodamerica.com/Petra.htm