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Whatever has been taught by the Catholic Church since the time of Christ, either through "solemn" pronouncements of Councils or Popes, or by unanimous "ordinary" every day teaching, MUST be believed by all Catholics, per what Our Lord said in Scripture and what the first Vatican Council confirmed. Refusing to do so is called "heresy" and places one outside of the Catholic Church.
1 posted on 04/27/2015 7:15:21 PM PDT by Salvation
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Magisterium Ping!


2 posted on 04/27/2015 7:16:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Whatever has been taught by the Catholic Church since the time of Christ, either through "solemn" pronouncements of Councils or Popes, or by unanimous "ordinary" every day teaching, MUST be believed by all Catholics, per what Our Lord said in Scripture and what the first Vatican Council confirmed. Refusing to do so is called "heresy" and places one outside of the Catholic Church.

Too bad Kasper, Marx, Maradiaga and Francis don't understand the heresy they are promoting.

5 posted on 04/27/2015 7:21:17 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Salvation; metmom
1) Solemn Magisterium: is Church teaching which is used only rarely by formal and authentic definitions of councils or Popes. This includes dogmatic definitions by councils or Popes teaching "ex cathedra"

2) Ordinary Magisterium: this second form of Church teaching is continually exercised by the Church especially in her universal practices connected with faith and morals, in the unanimous consent of the Fathers and theologians, in the decisions of the Roman Congregations concerning faith and morals, in the common sense of the Faithful, and various historical documents, in which the faith is declared.

There is no unanimous consent of the early fathers....unless the roman catholic has redefined the meaning of unanimous.

Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned." Matthew 16:15

Is this to imply that only the catholic priest can do this?

Two for sure "ex-cathedra" dogmas had to do with Mary. Amazing.

It need only be added here that not everything in a conciliar or papal pronouncement, in which some doctrine is defined, is to be treated as definitive and infallible. For example, in the lengthy Bull of Pius IX defining the Immaculate Conception the strictly definitive and infallible portion is comprised in a sentence or two; and the same is true in many cases in regard to conciliar decisions." 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Infallibility

So which parts are legit and which parts are not?

Man, catholics can confuse the simple message of the Gospel so much.

6 posted on 04/27/2015 7:30:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Thanks, Salvation. This is a nice collection of sources.

I think we have to be receptive to the complaints of those who disagree. It is sometimes easier to believe in the Resurrection than in the authority of the Church. And unanimity among the fathers certainly isn’t obviously similar to unanimity as the world uses the word.

The so-called “Vincentian canon” of “always, everywhere, and by all” is not much better. It CAN look full of contradictions and disagreements. But after a while one sees the truth lurking behind the efforts to express it. And then things become clear.

Natural reason helped me see the others were mistaken. I think it was grace that led me to trust in the sometimes very strange and even distressing way the Church answers its Apostolic call.


16 posted on 04/27/2015 8:00:59 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Salvation

“Refusing to do so is called “heresy” and places one outside of the Catholic Church.”

Darn, there goes more than half those membership numbers!


19 posted on 04/27/2015 8:40:18 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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Whatever has been taught by the Catholic Church since the time of Christ, either through "solemn" pronouncements of Councils or Popes, or by unanimous "ordinary" every day teaching, MUST be believed by all Catholics, per what Our Lord said in Scripture and what the first Vatican Council confirmed. Refusing to do so is called "heresy" and places one outside of the Catholic Church.

And this is contrary to what many RC's tell us that only the ex-cathedra pronouncements need fall into that category.

Seems like many RC's are poorly catechized when they don't even know what their own church demands of them.

25 posted on 04/28/2015 4:16:11 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation
Let's look at that passage they use.

Acts 15:7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.

Now we know that changed don't we.

Acts 22:21 "Then the Lord said to me, 'Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles."

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Peter was "in the early days" the one who would include the Gentiles but when the Jews rejected Christ it was Paul who was chosen.

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

It was to Paul that the revelation was given.

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; as I wrote afore in few words,

NOT to Peter but to Paul. Christ sent Paul to the Gentiles, NOT Peter.

Acts 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

29 posted on 04/28/2015 6:41:54 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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