Posted on 04/14/2015 6:04:24 PM PDT by ShasheMac
I guess that’s why God had to keep chastizing the Hebrews, because they were so closley adhering to His commandments.
In point of fact, no one can follow them perfectly.
And Christ gave no man a free pass.
Check out Romans 6, escpeciall verse 15
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
There is the one Catholic Church established by Christ investing it with infallible authority to teach ONE truth for ALL times, and then there is everything else under the sun. The books in the Bible did not fall from the sky. They were assembled over nearly three hundred years by the early Church fathers and the canonical texts approved in the Synod of Rome in AD 382 remains to this day. If you doubt that infallible authority, then perhaps you must doubt whether some books were accidentally left out or included. That infallible authority did not fly out of the window at some point in time.
“Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
“believes in HIM” i.e. His TEACHING. For this purpose Christ established ONE Church and commanded Peter and his successors to “Go forth and TEACH...”
Presumably this is to TEACH ONE Truth.
Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets to crack open the pages of the Bible and authoritatively interpret scripture. That authoritative interpretation was directed specifically to Peter and his successors. When Christ said “Feed my lambs, feed my sheep..,” it was directed specifically to Peter in the presence of the other apostles.
The direction was not to all. Peter was the new head of the Church established by Christ. The successors to Peter form an unbroken line of authority. This is why the canonical texts we use today were officially the identical texts ratified in manner, form, and selection by the Synod of Rome in AD 382. What greater authority than poring over hundreds of written manuscripts and fragments, including some, and discarding others, and then pronouncing that what the Catholic Church deemed authentic inspired by the Holy Spirit as the true word of God.
This authority did not fly out of the window at some late point in time. No one gets to authoritatively interpret the Word of God except the Catholic Church, and its rituals, liturgies, and forms of worship of veneration. The authority was absolute. “WHATSOEVER, thou shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven...”
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Stop with the nicolaitan cast system already.
Ummm ... you stick with the Catholic Church and I’ll stick with Jesus and the Bible ... :-) ...
Yes, the early Church fathers got it all wrong didn’t they, including the infallible authority that enabled them to sort out the various written fragments and provide us the Word of God? I will take the interpretation of the early Church fathers.
“Com to Me.” The “Me” is the Eucharist, not a bed time story about a dead man coming to life.
**not a bed time story about a dead man coming to life.**
The resurrection of Jesus is a “bedtime story”?
Just what “religion” are you?
The Eucharist is the risen Christ. If you deny the Real Presence of the Risen Christ, then as Benedict XVI says it amounts to no more than a story of dead man coming to life. The Risen Christ is in his words an “ontological” event changed the very nature of man’s existence. Evolution itself was turned upside down. By dying He gave Life. God who humbled Himself as a human now comes into our very own very being.
“I am the living bread which has come down out of heaven: if any one shall have eaten of this bread he shall live for ever; but the bread withal which I shall give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
The real body of Jesus ascended into Heaven.
What you are parroting is a Papist fairy tale. Clinging to this balderdash will not end well for you.
Obviously, you have nit read the beliefs, practices, and rituals of the early Church Fathers,(ECF) but instead is still hewed to the heresy of Protestantism.
If based on infallible authority under Petrine authority the ECF gave us the Bible in the Synod of Rome in AD 382, some eleven centuries before Protestantism washed ashore, then please tell us when that infallible authority was extinguished? If not, may be Protestants must go about selecting the various written fragments at the time and assembled their own Bible and not use the canonical texts of the Catholic Church.
I cannot agree with your post as it underestimates the power of His Spirit within us to do the work Jesus promised He would do....making Him insufficient...which He is not.
Popes die, and how could the true Church live if its head dies again and again?.... The true Head ever lives and the Church ever lives in Him ,and that is Christ Jesus Alone..”
The One Unified ‘Church’ is the Globalist Agenda not Christs’s........
.... Rather by and through His Spirit HE unites the Body of Believers with Himself as the Head....the true church is made up of ALL believers regardless of their denomination or church relation.
It is His Spirit that Unites believers.... The Bible is the authority, and Christ is the head...one cannot escape that truth.... His true church bows the knee to Him.
Here is what your Catechism says:
1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. The sacrificial character of the Eucharist is manifested in the very words of institution: “This is my body which is given for you” and “This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in my blood.”187 In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he “poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”188 (2100, 1846)
1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit: (613)
[Christ], our Lord and God, was once and for all to offer himself to God the Father by his death on the altar of the cross, to accomplish there an everlasting redemption. But because his priesthood was not to end with his death, at the Last Supper “on the night when he was betrayed,” [he wanted] to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands) by which the bloody sacrifice which he was to accomplish once for all on the cross would be re-presented, its memory perpetuated until the end of the world, and its salutary power be applied to the forgiveness of the sins we daily commit.189
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.” “And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory.”190 (1545)
1368 The Eucharist is also the sacrifice of the Church. The Church which is the Body of Christ participates in the offering of her Head. With him, she herself is offered whole and entire. She unites herself to his intercession with the Father for all men. In the Eucharist the sacrifice of Christ becomes also the sacrifice of the members of his Body. The lives of the faithful, their praise, sufferings, prayer, and work, are united with those of Christ and with his total offering, and so acquire a new value. Christ’s sacrifice present on the altar makes it possible for all generations of Christians to be united with his offering. (618, 2031, 1109) http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm
Can you understand why someone would think Catholics believe "Christ’s literal body and blood offered on their altars and that He is continually suffering for sin.”?
That's all very nice, but it doesn't answer the question posed - if the post about Christ dieing for our sins was "simplistic rot", how does one respond to what God told Jeremiah when He said that He would make a New Covenant and would forgive our wickedness and recognize our sins no more?
That's obvious in your posts. The cult of Catholicism is strong.
If Protestant do some really serious reading they will soon learn that without belief in the Eucharist as representing the risen Christ, the resurrection is no more than a vapid story about a dead man coming to life.
This why eminent Protestant theologians like the Rev. Richard Neuhaus, after a lifetime of inquiry, teaching scholarship, and contemplation considered as America’s foremost Lutheran theologian converted to Catholicism. No small step to take.
A good place to start is here by reading someone who is regarded as the Theological Einstein of Our Times.
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Apostles-Early-Church-Benedict/dp/1586172204
So now Jesus and the apostles were already eating the flesh of the risen Christ at the last supper before He died and rose again?
>>the Theological Einstein of Our Times<<
There you go with worship of man again.
Scientist don’t worship Einstein the man. However serious and inquiring minds of science inform themselves through his understanding of mathematics and their vision of our universe.
Benedict is for inquiring minds on the teachings of Christ that was commanded, not to every Tom, Dick, and Harry and neighborhood Foursquare Church pastor, but to the Church He founded to insure that ONE true teaching of the very author of the universe be spread to all nations. Benedict demonstrates why this is the Catholic Church as believed by the Apostles and early disciples of Christ.
If his explanation goes over the heads of shallow minds unfortunately that’s something we cannot help.
Christ did after all say He came for the most elite and sophisticated among us didn't He. Oh,,,,,,,,,,wait.......
No. But He wanted to be sure that He taught ONE truth and gave Peter and his successors an unbounded authority, that ‘WHATSOEVER.... bound on earth shall be bound in heaven...”
This is why Christ commanded his apostles to “Go forth and TEACH...,” both His written and unwritten words.
To make sure this teaching is HIS teaching is why we have theologians. Not the teaching of Joel Osteen; Billy Graham, or David Koresh, or Jim Jones.
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