Posted on 04/07/2015 11:37:31 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Yes. Then it goes on glorifying the Lord and when people try to glorify Mary, Jesus bats it down.
This is one of the most interesting posts I have come across from a Catholic. You are, of course, aware that nearly everything you have just said is contrary to Rome's demands? It has been clear from their get-go (300AD) that they hold the "keys to the kingdom" and only their versions of doctrines are correct. You are dangerously (or shall I say "safely" close) to being a reformer. Keep reading, my FRiend, because that Bible will lead you to the truth...God willing (that is in the Bible to which you refer).
While *I* agree with you that this is irrelevant to salvation, I do not believe that Catholics think the same way.
Catholic dogma appears to be an all-or-nothing proposition, from the doctrine of the Trinity all the way down to Mary experiencing no pain during the birth of Jesus. To deny any Catholic doctrine, no matter how significant or spurious, is to put oneself in opposition to the authority of their church, and thus place oneself in eternal damnation. I believe this is the real reason for the emphasis on hair-splitting pronouncements such as Mary being "The Mother of God" - they are worded so as to be deliberately provocative, in order to flush out non-compliancy.
It is not yours to judge. Live your life, believe what you believe and leave others alone.
Look no further than the Argentine Socialist who now occupies the throne of St. Peter. Most of what he says goes in one ear and out the other as far as I am concerned. I truly wish we would avoid topics such as politics and economics. Not looking forward to his upcoming encyclical on global warming which I am certain will be pile of crap.
Now...one the other hand...the current Pope has said some things about compulsory clerical celibacy which I do strongly agree with. Pope Francis has stated:
1) The policy is considered a discipline, not a dogma or a doctrine of the Church. True.
2) The policy is always subject to change. True.
3) The policy was enacted many centuries after the founding of the Church. True.
Funny, though, when I say exactly the same things I am branded a heretic or worse -—a Protestant! Horrors! by some in my Church.
Shhhhh! The Catholics are busy constructing mountains out of this molehill...
That is insulting, so there you go.
eph..they could have had sex the first night after their wedding..
But he waited until after she gave birth to Jesus and then after her days were fulfilled according to the Law of Moses
And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (just as it is written in the law of the Lord: Every firstborn male will be dedicated to the Lord) Luke 2:22, 23
Why was “her purification” important ???
Because a woman could not go out in public if she had a “sow of blood” and also a man was not to “come at” his wife until the bleeding was over whether it was her period or after the birth of a child...
the Bible goes on to say an angel warned Joseph to flee to Egypt and “he took the child and His mother and went” meaning the MARRIED COUPLE were living together in the same house..
Why would anyone make evil what God has ordained..
He was the one who designed sex and brought Eve to Adam and told them to have sex...
If God did not intend for Mary to ever have sex why did He bother to give her a husband ???
I am happy to be called friend, however, being told loving the Mother of God is “cultic adoration” is discourteous.
Should a person wish to bring another to their point of view, the best is by charity and courtesy.
Additionally, being called a “Romanist” is an historic derision.
I am happy to listen to other points of view, and challenge my own beliefs, but I don’t care to be insulted or put down.
With all due respect, my FRiend, you might want to practice what you preach...live YOUR life, believe what YOU believe and leave others alone...to do what they will and say what they will and help where they will. You are welcome.
Ah, but I’m not judging you. I’m most certainly not telling you that you’re subject to eternal damnation because you have an errant view of scripture. You don’t need to spend another second of your life thinking about what Catholics (or anybody else) believe. Tend your own garden.
Okay, YEOW! Hopefully, the RC brigade does not find out your address and show up on your porch. On a lighter note, you are absolutely right about the evolution of the compulsory clerical celibacy...even Peter did not abide this crazy demand. And, really, no man should whether he is a teacher of the Scriptures or a shoe maker. If you want to get married, Paul says get married. But, you have identified an example of the wrongheaded demands Rome has placed on folks. Continue to examine, my FRiend, not only will the global warming argument be disagreeable, but Rome’s view of sacerdotalism, purgatory, sacramentalism, transubstantiation, and several others will likely grind your gears. And, if you are found to be a “protester”, well, so be it. It is fine out here with just Jesus and His Scriptures.
It is the truth. If you find that insulting, that says more about you. Mary was a virgin through the birth of Y'shua, not after that. To say otherwise is against scripture and raises dogma above doctrine. That is heresy.
It is amazing (and a bit insulting) to me how many Catholic paintings and images show Mary as a some sort deity and/or Jesus as an eternal little baby.
Not only is Jesus often a little baby forever, but otherwise he is forever on the cross. It’s as if everything that happened between baby and cross and what happened after the cross is not as important.
It just seems that way a lot of the time.
Martin Luther's perspective:
"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
John Calvin's perspective:
"Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God.....It cannot be denied that God in choosing and destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor...To this day we cannot enjoy the blessing brought to us in Christ without thinking at the same time of that which God gave as adornment and honour to Mary, in willing her to be the mother of his only-begotten Son."
Ulrich Zwingli's perspective:
"It was given to her what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God...I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin...I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary...Christ ... was born of a most undefiled Virgin...The more the honor and love of Christ increases among men, so much the esteem and honor given to Mary should grow."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. We, as the body of Christ, are called to keep the body pure. Christ commanded us to "make a righteous judgment." St. Paul commanded the church at Corinth to expel the immoral brother. Certainly that was a righteous judgment. The same is true of any chastisement of the Catholic church when they spout heresy.
St. Paul, btw, specifically permits a married clergy:
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality apt to teach.”
1 Timothy 3:2
The Church certainly did not derive its policy of compulsory clerical celibacy from the Bible. Priests were married men in the Bible and in the early Church for at least 10 centuries. Compulsory clerical celibacy was introduced at the First Lateran Council in 1123 and for reasons which have nothing to do with anything in the Bible.
Good point. Insulting strangers on the internet is a sure way to win people over. My bad.
I have not insulted anyone. I have no control over an individual deciding that they find truth insulting.
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