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To: vladimir998
Yes, but it doesn’t physically...

#1...The Holy Spirit is not an impersonal "it"...and your reductionism to that level basically convinces me you don't even know Him!!!

#2...In the article itself, I reference this phrase of Jesus: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit" (John 3:6)

How can your "physical" comment blunder past such a basic spiritual distinction Jesus makes? IoW, why would you even expect that who is Spirit would automatically generate some physical manifestation?

It's as if we were talking about the tri-unity components of water: Flowing water, vapor, and ice. All is water. But ice isn't vapor. And flowing water isn't (usually) ice.

You might zero in upon all the manifestations of ice. I might highlight how the same things apply to vapor.

But if you then said, "But vapor doesn't CONCRETELY PHYSICALLY..." XYZ, I'd say, "Duh! It's vapor! Nothing 'concrete' about vapor!"

The Holy Spirit has never been PHYSICALLY carried by a woman in her womb since the Spirit has no physicality.

Okay, God's choice of Mary's womb was unique. We won't see a 6-foot-tall Jesus-like miracle replicated in any womb.

But guess what? The body of Christ has expanded:

Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. (1 Cor. 12:27)

Once who was localized in the Middle East, is now universalized. Once who was singular, is now plural. "Christ in you, the hope of glory," Jesus told the Colossians (1:27)

Jesus isn't simply in heaven. He is omnipresent. He promised to be with His followers "even unto the end of the age." (Matt. 28:20)

So the new (spiritual) "womb" -- is the Church. The Holy Spirit flows from her (John 7:38-39).

8 posted on 03/27/2015 6:50:43 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

“#1...The Holy Spirit is not an impersonal “it”...and your reductionism to that level basically convinces me you don’t even know Him!!!

What it convinces you of is meaningless. My point still stands. The Holy Spirit has no body. Can you refute that?

“#2...In the article itself, I reference this phrase of Jesus: “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6)”

All you’re doing is proving that my original point is unassailable. Thanks.

“How can your “physical” comment blunder past such a basic spiritual distinction Jesus makes?”

No blunder is made or needed. The Holy Spirit has no body. Jesus does.

“IoW, why would you even expect that who is Spirit would automatically generate some physical manifestation?”

If the issue is “Mary ‘Mother of God’=Church ‘Mother of Holy Spirit?’(Are we not god-bearers-’theotokos’-too?[Vanity]” then the defining aspect will be whether or not a physical person can give birth to a non-physical being. And that answer is no.

“It’s as if we were talking about the tri-unity components of water: Flowing water, vapor, and ice. All is water. But ice isn’t vapor. And flowing water isn’t (usually) ice.”

The problem with your analogy is that it is no analogy at all. We are not talking about “tri” aspects of Mary for there are none. Also, there are no “tri-unity components of water”. Flowing water, vapor and ice are all water, not components of water.

“You might zero in upon all the manifestations of ice. I might highlight how the same things apply to vapor.”

And NONE of that has anything to do with Mary’s motherhood.

“But if you then said, “But vapor doesn’t CONCRETELY PHYSICALLY...” XYZ, I’d say, “Duh! It’s vapor! Nothing ‘concrete’ about vapor!””

Your analogy fails again, because vapor is still matter, not Spirit. Vapor molecules are still MOLECULES. That’s physical matter. Spirit is not matter.

“Okay, God’s choice of Mary’s womb was unique. We won’t see a 6-foot-tall Jesus-like miracle replicated in any womb. But guess what? The body of Christ has expanded:”

Not His physical body. His mystical body, yes. Best examinations on the scriptures on this:

http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Mystical-Body-1st/dp/B00144RLYO/ref=sr_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427508577&sr=1-13

http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Christ-Historical-Development-Scripture/dp/1610976495/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427508489&sr=1-1

“So the new (spiritual) “womb” — is the Church. The Holy Spirit flows from her (John 7:38-39).”

I would rather put it this way:

“God…has established one sole order composed of two parts: nature exalted by grace, and grace vivifying nature. He has not confused these two orders, but he has coordinated them. One force alone is the model and one thing alone the motive principle and ultimate end of divine creation: Christ…All the rest is subordinated to Him. The goal of human existence is to form the Mystical Body of this Christ, of this Head of the elect, of this Eternal Priest, of this King of the immortal Kingdom and the society of those who will eternally glorify Him.” L’enciclica del 8 dicembre by Matteo Liberatore, S.J. (La Civiltà Cattolica, VI, i, 1865, pp. 287-288)


9 posted on 03/27/2015 7:18:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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