Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[Elsie]

An anti-Mormon claiming the Book of Mormon failed.

A MORMON; skipping #795.

I'm not surprised at all!

[Elsie]

I’m being to see the resemblance between you and the last one mentioned.

[Iscool]

Can you elaborate on your use of the words "form"

I believe the elaboration of the simplistic scripture is sufficient enough for me...

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Apparently the Greek word for form is our basis for the word 'morph'...

μορφή
morphē
mor-fay'
Perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively nature: - form.

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

σχῆμα
schēma
skhay'-mah
From the alternate of G2192; a figure (as a mode or circumstance), that is, (by implication) external condition: - fashion.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

φανερόω
phaneroō
fan-er-o'-o
From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self).

"learn", and "understand"?

Perhaps I should have used the word 'experience'...To experience temptation...

[Iscool]

:)

[Resettozero]

Thank you for the upbraiding. I’ll consider it’s veracity and worth.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[StormPrepper]

Why are you a Mormon?

Is this rhetorical or would you like an answer?

[NoCmpromiz]

As a point of personal information could you explain how my comment that was removed was any more personal than, say, #738?

[rwa265]

You were dancing around yesterday saying the same things over and over and I indicated I didn’t want to stay any longer at your dance.

And here you are doing the Johnny-One-Note two-step again.

Do you think you’re fooling someone?

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What is it with you, man?

I sent you post 606 because you asked: “How many more times do you want to dance this same dance?”

I responded: “When it can be shown where Scripture contradicts the following verses that clearly support the concept that Mary was the mother of God incarnate.”

Instead of showing me where Scripture contradicts those verses, you decided to “walk home.”

I do not think I am fooling anyone. I am just trying to understand how it can be denied that these verses clearly show that the child that Mary conceived and brought forth is God, making her the mother of God.

In the same way, af_vet is not asking a trick question. He is simply asking if you agree with what scripture says in Matthew 1:18-23. These verses support the doctrine that Mary is the mother of God because “she shall bring forth a son” “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Similarly, Luke 1:26-35 supports the doctrine that Mary is the mother of God because “that holy thing which shall be born of” her “shall be called the Son of God.”

Luke 1:39-45, Luke 2:4-12, Luke 2:25-35, and Matthew 2:1-15 support the doctrine in the same way.

Before sending this, I will give my answer to your question, why is this matter important to me.

Day after day on this forum, Catholics are bashed for not following Scripture. Frequently, we are asked “Where does it say in Scripture” when it is well known that Catholic doctrine is based on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. For the doctrine of Mary being the mother of God, though, we have shown “where it says in Scripture.” Rather than acknowledging this truth or explaining why it is not so, Catholic bashers simply do not address the Scriptures that are provided. Instead they just say “Mary is not the mother of God” without giving any specifics why the referenced Scriptures are being wrongly interpreted. When asked to show where Scripture says “Mary is not the mother of God,” there is no response. This is why it matters to me.

Now, instead of hurling insults or griping about Catholic doctrine, can you try to give an honest response why you do not think the referenced Scriptures show that Mary is the mother of God?

[Resettozero]

Now, instead of hurling insults or griping about Catholic doctrine, can you try to give an honest response why you do not think the referenced Scriptures show that Mary is the mother of God?

Because the Holy Spirit did not lead the writers of the Scripture to say what you extrapolate from Scripture, as you have been informed repeatedly by me and other FReepers as well.

Even the concept that Mary is the mother of God is not taught anywhere in the Bible. It is a belief propounded mainly by Roman Catholics, among other sects.

It is not Scriptural. Scripture does not record the words or the idea that Mary is the mother of God. In fact, this notion is blasphemous.

[DJ MacWoW]

Scripture does not record the words or the idea that Mary is the mother of God. In fact, this notion is blasphemous.

There's an overused word.

Definition: Blasphemy is the act of showing contempt, insulting, or expressing a lack of reverence for God; the act of claiming the attributes of deity; defiant irreverence toward something considered sacred.

About Religion:blasphemy

[Resettozero]

The thing is I was raised a Southern Baptist. And very much an anti-Mormon. I was raised to hate Mormons.

I was raised an Independent Baptist. But my family was not anti-Mormon or anti-Catholic and as a youth, I thought those were merely other denominations of Christian churches such as Methodist. Now, I realize how naive I was then.

There is no personal animosity toward anyone posting on this board. But I despise liars, especially the subtle crafty ones who pretend to be stupid when they are not. And the workers of evil who think they hide in plain sight yet are seen plainly by those who have eyes to see.

That's why I love the Truth that I discovered mid-way through life: Jesus is the Christ, THE LORD, the Son of the living God, my Savior from my sin-debt and from the second death in the Lake of Fire.

He is much more than this but my point is that what I was taught as a child took root later and after wandering and goofing around, the seeds planted sprouted when and after I was confronted with the seriousness of my relationship with God the Father and what it means to my remaining time on planet Earth, what to do with that time, and the impact my decision would make on my eternal soul.

The Holy Bible, the Scriptures I mention...these speak of The Lord Jesus Christ from start to end. I consider the Bible to be the written Word of God, which will never pass away. If what I am told or shown doesn't align with that which IS written in Scripture, I either set it aside for consideration later or discard it.

Too often, good threads on FR RF degenerate into "Yes it is", "No it isn't" like we're defending our favorite religious team in some sort of religious Final Four. I regret my part in the degeneration of those good FR threads.

[NoCmpromiz]

Just a curiosity question...

Do you think ‘regret’ is the same as ‘repent’?

I mean, over the years I have regretted a lot of things I’ve done and said.

But I did them again.

[DJ MacWoW]

Regret and repent are two different things. Although some do repent and backslide. It happens. Regret doesn’t include God in the equation but repent does.

[NoCmpromiz]

Regret doesn’t include God in the equation but repent does.

Yeah..

Some who have been to semetary, er, seminary will say that repentence is "μετάνοια" - metanoia..

Literally translated it means "change the mind". In its usage in the Koine of the New Testament it means a change in the trend and action of the whole inner nature, intellectual, affectional and moral. (This as opposed to classical Greek use that implied only a change of mind - "I was going to have the escargot, but I changed my mind, I'll have the Filet Mignon instead"..) In the Biblical usage it presumes a change in mind, heart, and life wrought by the Spirit of God.

Mere regret gives you the wiggle room to repeat the action that you regret, a concept that most 'regretters' take advantage of. Usually shortly after regretting...

Nutshell Greek lesson. There are those who argue that 'repent' is a mistranslation of the Greek. But good ol' King Jimmy renders it such and we know they are never wrong...

My interlinear Greek-English NT is not as heavy as some others 97 pound King Jimmy Scofields and thus is not too useful for beating someone into submission with...

[DJ MacWoW]

Speaking of King Jimmy, his order to translate the Bible was an act of repentance for allowing his mother, Mary Stuart, to be beheaded so he could be King. It was a nice idea to give the “common man” access to God’s word. Too bad most of them couldn’t read. Soooooooooo, the KJV was an act of repentance.

[NoCmpromiz]

You’re sure that wasn’t regret?

Did his life, morals, and character change?

[DJ MacWoW]

Nope. As soon as Elizabeth was dead he hotfooted it to London and never went back to Scotland. Not an ounce of regret..........or real repentance.