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He's an unbelieving, LetsBeQueerian minister nihilist-er.
Posted on 03/21/2015 7:33:01 PM PDT by hiho hiho
“How can you call yourself a Christian, let alone a minister?!”
I get asked that question frequently and the questioner is hostile more often than not. Still, I like to answer it if I believe the questioner is sincere.
Though I self-identify as a Christian and I am an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), I raised eyebrows a few years ago when I posted an article on my website about how my personal beliefs don’t align with those of most Presbyterians.
For example, I believe that:
- Religion is a human construct
- The symbols of faith are products of human cultural evolution
- Jesus may have been an historical figure, but most of what we know about him is in the form of legend
- God is a symbol of myth-making and not credible as a supernatural being or force
- The Bible is a human product as opposed to special revelation from a divine being
- Human consciousness is the result of natural selection, so there’s no afterlife
In short, I regard the symbols of Christianity from a non-supernatural point of view.
And yet, even though I hold those beliefs, I am still a proud minister. But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian.
Why is that so many people think my affirmations are antithetical to Christianity? I think it is because Christianity has placed all of its eggs in the belief basket. We all have been trained to think that Christianity is about believing things. Its symbols and artifacts (God, Bible, Jesus, Heaven, etc) must be accepted in a certain way. And when times change and these beliefs are no longer credible, the choices we are left with are either rejection or fundamentalism.
I think of Christianity as a culture. It has produced 2,000 years of artifacts: literature, music, art, ethics, architecture, and (yes) beliefs. But cultures evolve and Christianity will have to adapt in order to survive in the modern era.
Many of those paths will be dead ends. As Daniel Dennett once said, the dinosaurs really have not died out because modern birds carry on many of their traits. Similarly, as religions evolve, they may look similar in some respects and quite different in others. You may not even call some of them religions anymore, depending on how you define the word.
I believe one of the newer religious paths could be a “belief-less” Christianity. In this “sect,” one is not required to believe things. One learns and draws upon practices and products of our cultural tradition to create meaning in the present. The last two congregations I have served have huge commitments to equality for LGTBQ people and eco-justice, among other things. They draw from the well of our Christian cultural tradition (and other religious traditions) for encouragement in these efforts. I think a belief-less Christianity can be a positive good for society.
Belief-less Christianity is thriving right now, even as other forms of the faith are falling away rapidly. Many liberal or progressive Christians have already let go or de-emphasized belief in Heaven, that the Bible is literally true, that Jesus is supernatural, and that Christianity is the only way. Yet they still practice what they call Christianity. Instead of traditional beliefs, they emphasize social justice, personal integrity and resilience, and building community. The cultural artifacts serve as resources.
But what about belief in God? Can a belief-less Christianity really survive if God isn’t in the picture? Can you even call that Christianity anymore? In theory, yes. In practice, it is a challenge because “belief in God” seems to be so intractable. However, once people start questioning it and realize that they’re not alone, it becomes much more commonplace.
Since posting my article — and in response to my ministry in general — many have opened up to me that they didn’t believe in God but they liked coming to my church. One young woman, after going through my confirmation class, joined the church. She read her faith statement in front of the congregation. It was a powerful articulation of her social justice commitments in which she added that she didn’t believe in God. The congregation enthusiastically welcomed her, of course.
Personally, even though I don’t believe in God as a supernatural agent or force, many still do. I utilize the symbol “God” in worship. This may be viewed as cheating but since our cultural tradition is filled with images of God, it is near impossible to avoid. As a symbol, I’m not yet ready to let go of God. It is a product of myth-making — I know that — but the symbol incorporates many of our human aspirations. I find that “God” for me is shorthand for all the things for which I long: beauty, truth, healing, and justice. They’re all expressed by this symbol and the stories about it.
Someone quipped that my congregation is BYOG: Bring Your Own God. I use that and invite people to “bring their own God” — or none at all. While the symbol “God” is part of our cultural tradition, you can take it or leave it or redefine it to your liking. That permission to be theological do-it-yourselfers is at the heart of belief-less Christianity.
I understand some Christians may react with hostility and panic to this idea — they already have — but it deserves an honest discussion.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. May God have mercy on his soul.
Actually, there is another option: he was a politician who really believed he could be the next King of Israel. That he could unite the Jews and rally them to free themselves of Roman rule.
I was an Elder in the PCUSA. Left in 92 when our Pastor (Dallas Theology Seminary) retired. He was a very good man who refused to tow the PCUSA PC line. About 1/2 of the congregation left at the same time. We all went to a PCA church across town.
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Like you, we had a good Pastor, but an increasingly liberal congregation. I think he was contemplating leaving...maybe still is.
Although we’re attending a Southern Baptist Congregation now, my wife and I both like the PCA very much.
The Bible warned us about the Episcopal, Methodist, PCUSA and other lukewarm Churches and their eventual falling away from the truth.
[[“...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment...” Hebews 9:27. You will soon see the reality of God.]]
Yes but how many people will he take down to he4ll with him and his ‘God doesn’t exist’ ideology?
He's an unbelieving, LetsBeQueerian minister nihilist-er.
This reminds me of Lincoln’s illustration:
“If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog?”
“Four. Calling a tail a leg don’t make it a leg.”
Not surprisingly, a lot of mainline “Christian” ministers (dis)believe exactly this way.
Hyam Macoby, “Revolution In Judea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance”
There is a Jewish alternative.
(Should have pinged you too for “John Shuck” post #46.)
Why hasn’t this guy gotten elected moderator of the PCUSA? He’s even more qualified than some of the other minions of Satan that they’ve elected.
These types will be the ones who help usher in the Anti-Christ, the “ Tares “ that Jesus Christ told us about.
But God is not about religion, but a relationship with his son Jesus Christ.
In that regard, religion is man’s way to God, and Jesus Christ is God’s only way, only truth, and life to God, no other way but in Christ.
He, “Doesn’t appreciate not being called a Christian.” What a poor pathetic man.
massage s/b message, of course. I hate it when my typos are actually a real word, so spell check doesn’t catch them.
“Belief-less Christianity is thriving right now, even as other forms of the faith are falling away rapidly. Many liberal or progressive Christians have already let go or de-emphasized belief in Heaven, that the Bible is literally true, that Jesus is supernatural, and that Christianity is the only way. Yet they still practice what they call Christianity. Instead of traditional beliefs, they emphasize social justice, personal integrity and resilience, and building community. The cultural artifacts serve as resources.”
And here we aren’t supposed to question Democrat Christians’ faith. There is no faith. They denounce such “superstition”.
I’ll examine this tomorrow maybe. In the meantime, I’m going with the Holy Bible’s account of what He intended to do.
Judas Iscariot betrayed Him when JI became convinced by Satan that Jesus was failing His mission, in Judas’ estimation. Judas seems to have believed that Jesus was to become King in Jerusalem during that time he first appeared as Son of man.
I knew a guy in college who was an atheist, but who said he wanted to become a Christian minister. I don’t know if he ever followed through on that. But you know how the Left works - they insinuate their way into everything and co-opt it, like termites.
Seems like the reasonable next step in the apostate descent of PCUSA and liberal “Christian” theology in general. “Christians” without belief in Christ, living life separated from the scriptures, and general weakening of faith.
Satan’s going to make the falling away seem very “reasonable”.
Evangelical atheism is a ‘thing’. So much for it not being a religion. They seek to convert others to their way of thinking, even those who mistakenly believe they are attending a church that worships God.
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