[aMorePerfectUnion]

"Jesus Christ Himself being present isn't glorious?"

I realize catholics have been taught this. Fine. People can choose to believe whatever they wish.

Objectively though, based on the specific examples of people faced with the glory of God... If the wafer were really the very presence of Christ, His glory would be so overwhelming people would fall down before him and a fake sunbeam (monstronce) would not be necessary to make it appear glorious.

"People who believe what Christ Himself said think His presence is glorious."

Believers who love Him believe His actual presence is glorious.

"Apparently the Self and Self Alone folks are perfect examples of those who "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." "

I'm not familiar with that denomination, but I can assure you that the reference to Romans is out of context. If you are going to take it out of context and make it not about physical lust, you should also pay attention to God's specific words: "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever."

As I started with, certainly Catholics have been taught this. Fine. I don't try to change their minds. This is an open thread though, set aside for discussion.

[Rashputin]

And thank you for a perfect example of Self and Self Alone interpretation in action since the context clearly is fitting to someone denying the real but invisible presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made ; his eternal power also, and divinity : so that they are inexcusable.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks ; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Jesus Christ Himself said, "This is my body", folks pretend that's the same as when Christ didn't rip the door off of a house, hold it up, and say, "This is me". Such folks base their claim that Jesus Christ did not say exactly what he intended to say solely on their Self and Self Alone not wanting to deal with the consequences of taking Jesus Christ at His word.

Obviously, you most certainly do know someone who has fallen for the strong delusion of Self and Self Alone

Have a very Hello Kitty kinda day

[choirboy]

“Objectively though, based on the specific examples of people faced with the glory of God... If the wafer were really the very presence of Christ, His glory would be so overwhelming people would fall down before him and a fake sunbeam (monstronce) would not be necessary to make it appear glorious.”

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Jesus Christ did walk the earth both pre- and post-resurrection and the people did not fall down when they saw Him (except once, that I remember, at the Transfiguration when He was shown in all His glory). Why would He treat us differently with regards to the Host?

[Arthur McGowan]

Objectively though, based on the specific examples of people faced with the glory of God... If the wafer were really the very presence of Christ, His glory would be so overwhelming people would fall down before him and a fake sunbeam (monstr[a]nce) would not be necessary to make it appear glorious.

And the gospels tell us that Jesus was radiant with overwhelming glory every moment of his earthly life?

[Grateful2God]

Jesus is capable of hiding His Glory. Was He recognized immediately on the road to Emmaus? No. It was"in the breaking of the bread."

The Monstrance is decorated in His Honor.