Posted on 03/01/2015 4:54:44 PM PST by NKP_Vet
Archbishop Fulton Sheen once wrote: “There are not over a hundred people in the United State who hate the Roman Catholic Church; there are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.”
I was one of those who hated because of what I wrongly believed about the Catholic Church. The reason I had these beliefs was due to being told what to believe about the Catholic Church from those who were told what to believe about the Catholic Church. No one was willing to find out what the bottom line was concerning the Catholic Church. Everything said about the Church was taken as truth while it seemed no one was delving into what the truth really was.
What about these Catholics? They worshipped Mary. They had a religion but not a relationship with Jesus Christ. They said they believed in God but really their belief couldn’t be the same, could it? The Bible says in James 2:19 KJV “Thou believest that there is one God; Thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble”.
So do Catholics have a belief such as the devils? When most Catholics are asked if they have been “born again” or “have accepted Christ as their Savior”, their main response is “I believe in God” or “I am a good person”, or “I’m Catholic”. Also, they have all these rituals, Saints, Statues and what about the Pope is he really standing in for God? Another big item, are they cannibals when they eat the bread and drink the wine during communion? Why do they leave Jesus on the cross, don’t they realize Jesus has risen from the dead?
For the rest of Steve’s story, click at link.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic-convert.com ...
Judge not.
You even called him “demonic”.
Pride and vanity...you are full of both to the brim.
“I was told to expect you in the latter days.”
Oh right...we knew you were coming 500 years ago...
First of all I'm not a "Protestant" nor do they demand submission of "intellect and will" to their "church leadership" like Catholics are required to do to their magisterium.
>>Are you a Jew hater like Martin Luther?<<
The Jews as well as all of the tribes of Israel are God's chosen people and will be for all time. He is now gathering them from all the nations back to the land He promised them just as He said He would. Anyone who blesses them will be blessed by God, anyone who curses them will be cursed by God. The time is soon coming when God will once again turn His attention exclusively to the nation of Israel during the time of Jacobs trouble.
>>Do you agree with Martin Luther or not?<<
I don't study nor do I follow Luther. As I understand it he could be a rather nasty feller when it came to the Jews. He was used by God to get people out of the Catholic Church errors for sure but many kept all too many of those errors.
>>Have you ever even read “On the Jews and Their Lies” written by Martin Luther?<<
Why would I need to do that? He has no relevance to what I believe.
Stay with that cultic delusion if it makes you feel better.
“Take it up with Lord Jesus Christ Who founded His Church (Body of believers) of which I and my spiritual ancestors for 2000 years and my family today are members. We are not Roman catholics. We follow and believe in (have total faith in) Jesus Christ alone and fellowship with Christians of like mind and Spirit.”
Good trick...since there was no such thing as a protestant until Martin Luther showed up 1500 years after Christ.
Do you also subscibe to Luther’s other teachings?
On the Jews and Their Lies....have you ever read it?
Open threads are in a town square format.If a poster called you, personally, a pagan hit the abuse button with the post number. That is making it personal and is not tolerated.Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected
Posters may argue for or against beliefs, deities, religious authorities, etc. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule. “Open” RF debate is often contentious.
It requires thick skin. A poster must be able to make his points while standing his ground, suffering adverse remarks about his beliefs - or letting them roll off his back.
Members of religions which are as much culture as belief sometimes take religious debate personally. If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
Calling another belief system a cult is allowed on open threads.
Who are your spiritual ancestors? That's all I'm asking.
Not a categorical description you claim existed, but specifically by name and history: the non-denominational ekklesia that you have some evidence existed continuously since the time of Christ.
Well you better talk to the "eminent" Dr. David Jerimiah, and Dr. James White.
Dr. Jerimiah did a very interesting talk on the difference between the Shite Throne judgment and the particular judgment as found in the Book of Revelation. He disagrees with your understanding.
A number of years ago Dr. White was in a debate with a Catholic apologist, whose name I can't recall (might have been Jimmy Akin) on the "Bible answer man" Hank Hanegraaf. The only thing they both agreed on is that judgment comes after death..
Didn't you try to hold Dr. White up[ as one of YOUR experts a while ago?
You might also want to read Tim LaHaye's "Revelation unveiled" He also speaks about judgment after death
You keep posting that same statement over and over and over and then state that you absolutely deny
"THIS IS MY BODY and THIS IS MY BLOOD"...and that is in the Bible...
Pride and vanity...you are full of both to the brim.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
“E.g., if I told you to give your child a hug in remembrance of me, you wouldn’t think I meant a symbolic hug.”
No, I would not. But Jesus gave the reason WHY we partake: “IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME”.
NOT “in a perpetual ongoing sacrifice of me”, but to REMEMBER.
“The Roman Catholic Church and I think even the consubstantiation view of the Lutheran Church and so forth says, “This is My body,” verse 24 and verse 25, “This is the New Testament in My blood,” and because of a misunderstanding of the meaning of estin, the verb “to be” in the Greek, they have decided that that has to literally be the body and blood of Christ, either in a very physical sense or in a sort of a strange spiritual sense. That’s not what He’s saying. The verb to be, estin, or whatever form you want, singular or plural, is frequently used to mean represents. This bread is not His body, it represents His body. This cup is not His blood, it represents His blood. When Jesus said in John 10, “I am the door,” He meant I as a Savior and shepherd of the sheep represent a door into the sheepfold. He wasn’t literally a door. In Matthew 13 when He gave the parable of the wheat and the tares and He said, “The field is the world,” He didn’t really mean the field is the world. In the parable He meant the field represents the world. And He said the good seed are the children of God and the bad seed, the children of the wicked one. And, of course, the words is and are in those cases simply means represents. It’s used in a figurative, metaphorical sense.
So, here this represents My body, this bread He said. And this cup represents My blood. It was not His blood. His blood was still in His veins when He said that. It was not His body. His body was still sitting there when He said that. So, we’re not talking about literal things.”
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1847
Newman was a flaming queer...Sheen, who used a stage name was not married nor had any children which makes him fully unqualified to be a bishop...
As typical Catholics they could talk for days about your church history, the fathers of your religion and could even talk about the historical aspects of the bible...
Their forte' was human philosophy which is nothing more than the wisdom of fallen man...
Doesn't matter how intellectual they are...Or how educated they are...What matters is, are they teaching the truth of God's words...
Here is a youtube debate with James White and N.T. Wright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqZMRWQTpcM
Slow on the uptake eh?
Isnt it obvious?
If you are so smart...why cant you figure that one out?
You do? Where is the river of water flowing from your belly? Do you ever get hungry or thirsty? You do "take Him at His word" right?
Yeah, Columbus looked for some of you to help him discover America but you escaped that responsibility too I guess.
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