Evolution makes atheists out of people!

Creation Ministries International ^ | 2-17-2015 | Jonathan Sarfati

[fishtank]

Evolution makes atheists out of people!

By Jonathan Sarfati

Out on ministry at churches, our speakers often encounter anguished parents (and grandparents) lamenting that their children now reject the faith in which they were raised. If you too are a parent with this same angst, I remind you that Adam and Eve failed even with the best possible raising from God Himself, as well as enjoying perfect health and living in paradise. And Judas Iscariot remained unsaved despite three years with the best teacher ever: Jesus Himself.

Evolution undermines basic Christian doctrines

Having said that, there is a common pattern in many apostasies—exposure to evolution.1 This teaches that Scripture is not the final authority; rather, uniformitarian ‘science’ is. And if this same ‘science’ also teaches that virgins don’t conceive and dead men don’t rise, can you see where this would lead to unbelief? Evolution also teaches that death has been around for millions of years, which contradicts the biblical teaching that death is the result of sin. This undermines the Gospel, because if death has no connection with sin, then how could Christ’s death pay for our sin?

[OneWingedShark]

When you think of yourself through life stages, do you think of infinite children (for example), or is it more like, “oh yeah, I went camping there as a kid?”

I think of myself as me; that's the point — something as fundamental to humanness as being made in the Image of God isn't something that comes in stages.
(You could possibly make the argument about showing that image, but not about possessing that image.)

[BlackAdderess]

God is Father, Son, and Spirit, if we are made in His image it follows we are too.

Certainly in our case it’s not the situation where if anyone looks at us they will die, like in Exodus 33:20.

[BlackAdderess]

Not being rude but I’ve got to go feed people :)

[Moonman62]

Religious fundamentalists make atheists out of people.

[OneWingedShark]

God is Father, Son, and Spirit, if we are made in His image it follows we are too.
Certainly in our case it’s not the situation where if anyone looks at us they will die, like in Exodus 33:20.

You sure about that?
After all, there's only two recorded instances where a human saw another human and didn't [eventually] die.

;)

[afsnco]

Here’s a couple...

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

[PeterPrinciple]

Microevolution is an accepted fact.

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That needs further definition also, as well as mutation.

For most people those words still have inference of random genetic changes. There is no evidence of random genetic changes. Random changes are fatal.

When I went though science courses this was called genetic expression. Penicillin resistant bacteria did not “mutate” but those with the “right existing genetic information” survived.

The amount of genetic information and back up in a cell is truly amazing.

[fishtank]

Hey.

I won’t vote for Huck-a-fraud.

Look at my post history.

Plus, I didn’t vote for Romney, either.

[fishtank]

You’re about to get a lesson in Scripture from the freeperverse.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Exactly. Microevolution, as it is called, is not a result of “mutation”, it is just the cells expressing certain genetic information they already have. I agree that random changes are fatal. There are no mutations that people can point to and say were beneficial. Some try and say sickle cell anemia is an example, but that disease actually shortens your life span, which is far from beneficial.

[Lake Living]

Aslo, try Matt. 19:4

Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH ‘?…

[Lake Living]

“I have no problem with evolution, we do not know the methodology God used to create the world.”

That is true but the scriptural record says that “by man came death” and death passed upon the whole created order because of man’s disobedience. So God did not use an evolutionary death process to create man - unless of course you want to through out those passages.

[Agamemnon]

...proof that "day" is defined the sun's apparent/relative position in the sky.

Not "proof" of anything other than God has the power over time and things He appointed to measure time.

The first 3 days of Creation were defined by the time interval God established and caused the passing of that interval to be thereafter measureable by -- not driven by -- heavenly bodies as of day 4. The time interval is not caused by the "clock," merely charted by the clock.

And speaking of the clock, you will recall that on Joshua's Long day it was the sun that stood still (Joshua 10:12), not the Earth, hence God literally of His own choosing "stopped the clock" on behalf of Joshua, because He is the Lord of Time. One could reasonably say that what Joshua accomplished that day was done by God's willing it - outside of time. Did you ever consider that possibility?

That still does not make God's definition of "day" in Genesis as He defined it any different than how He defined it when He used the word day(s) in the 10 commandments. Same word (pl.).

FReegards!

[mlo]

"Evolution undermines basic Christian doctrines"

Reality has a way of doing that.

[Chainmail]

Possibly not but I'm an engineer: I know that nothing improves/increases/updates without a designer's input. Nothing. People who would believe that a living, functional cell with the innate ability to reproduce from Day One could happen by accident are the same people who believe that an airliner could assemble itself and fly from a pile of bauxite ore, given enough time.

People who believe it's all happenstance are the folks losing money buying lottery tickets. No comprehension of mathematical probabilities, no grasp of engineering design.

To me, evolution is further proof of God's genius and insurmountable power.

[kosciusko51]

What you are describing sounds less like evolution and more like intelligent design on a long time scale.

[BlackAdderess]

I Corinthians 15:21

For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.

This would speak of death of the spirit, that is not the same thing as the cycle of life. Certainly the whole earth is cursed by having a bunch of soul dead people running things, often into the ground.

[mlo]

"Possibly not but I'm an engineer: I know that nothing improves/increases/updates without a designer's input. Nothing."

Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization

[Chainmail]

Not true, your Wikipedia article. Most of the article cites neural activity among living creatures as "self organization". That which is observed are really design features, not random chance. Convective currents? C'mon!

Clearly, you've never designed anything or you'd know better.

[BlackAdderess]

Also Gen. 2:17 speaks of God’s instructions regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, “for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die”, so it sounds like here too this was referencing spiritual death due to sin. When they did eat, they were kicked out of the garden habitat to till the dirt from whence they came until they returned to it, with the added bonus of thorny weeds.