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My original post to which you replied:
"No doubt there are plenty of heretical contentions to be found in the Orthodox Church as well.

Your reply to that post:
So 1.2 billion Catholics and 500 million Orthodox Christians are heretics

Got it

Now... where did I say there were 1.7 billion Christian heretics? Why can't you just address the facts instead of building a straw man to attack?

But, since you raised the point: in the Roman Catholic Cult, as well as Orthodoxy, their are, no doubt, Christians, called by God, DESPITE the Catholic and Orthodox doctrines. But, based on what is taught, my guess is there are far more heretics than Christians, because it generally seems (at least by virtue of experience on this forum), people in the Catholic cult who are saved leave the Cult. I've read many similar instances of people being saved out of Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

But, it does seem disingenuous that you reply to a posting of mine in the way you did. I will await your repentance and apology.

Hoss

I was merely pointing out that the churches whose dogmas was based on the early church fathers disagreed with you. And the links to the early church fathers opinions on this is on the wikipedia article on Orthodoxy that I cited earlier.

You base your theories on experts who came 1500 years later.

Your “heresy” arguments are straw man arguments, and those pushing the argument are “judging (catholics) on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries” to prove your ideas. (quote is JFK).

which is why you quote a snippet from a canon law article from the Council of Trent that you use to “prove doctrine”, ignoring that it is a legal not doctrinal article and probably in toto is full of legal nuances that you have ignored...and of course, it is 500 years old... I notice you aren't quoting Vatican II documents or the recent Catechism.

you then insist that “catholics” who leave and reject the church can be saved, but get annoyed when I point out that this implies no Catholics are saved if they stay in the church. Huh?

as for your using the word “cult”,this is a “name calling” argument and silly. The word “cult” implies monolithic thinking. No one with the least bit of knowledge of Catholics or Catholicism as it is actually practiced would believe this.