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Sola Scriptura
The John Ankerberg Show ^ | Feb.11,2015 | James McCarthy;

Posted on 02/11/2015 12:02:36 PM PST by RnMomof7

Sola Scriptura

Today, even as in the time of the Reformation, thousands of Catholics worldwide are leaving Roman Catholicism for biblical Christianity. And once again, the rallying cry of the sixteenth century, Sola Scriptura, Scripture Alone, is being heard.

Roman Catholic defenders have responded to this challenge by going on the offen­sive. A typical argument sounds something like this:

The Bible cannot be the sole rule of faith, because the first Christians didn’t have the New Testament. Initially, Tradition, the oral teachings of the apostles, was the Church’s rule of faith. The New Testament came later when a portion of Tradition was put to writing. It was the Roman Catholic Church that produced the New Testament, and it was the Church that infallibly told us what books belong in the Bible. It is the Church, therefore, that is the authoritative teacher of Scripture. Sola Scriptura is not even taught in the Bible. The rule of faith of the Roman Catholic Church, therefore, is rightly Scripture and Tradition together.

Christians confronted with such arguments should keep the following points in mind:

Christians have never been without the Scriptures as their rule of faith.

The unforgettable experience of two early disciples shows the fallacy of thinking that the first Christians were ever without Scripture as their rule of faith. Three days after the crucifixion, two of Jesus’ disciples were walking home. A fellow traveler, whom they took for a stranger, joined them along the way. The conversation quickly turned to the events that had just taken place in Jerusalem. With deep sorrow, the disciples told the story of how the chief priests and rulers of the nation had sentenced Jesus to death and had Him crucified by the civil authorities.

To the disciples’ shock, the stranger rebuked them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!” (Luke 24:25, NIV). Then begin­ning with Moses and proceeding through the prophets, the stranger explained to them the truths concerning Jesus in the Old Testament Scriptures.

Eventually the two disciples realized that their fellow traveler was no stranger at all but the Lord Jesus Himself! Later they recalled, “Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was explaining the Scriptures to us?” (Luke 24:32).

The experience of those two early disciples was not unique. With the Holy Spirit’s coming at Pentecost, and with the aid of the apostles’ teaching, Jewish Christians rediscov­ered their own Scriptures. Their common conviction was that the Old Testament, properly understood, was a revelation of Christ. There they found a prophetic record of Jesus’ life, teaching, death, and resurrection.

The Old Testament Scriptures served as the standard of truth for the infant church, Jew and Gentile alike. Within a short time, the New Testament Scriptures took their place alongside those of the Old Testament. Consequently, the early church was never without the written Word of God.

Scripture is not simply written Tradition.

Roman Catholic descriptions of the origin of the New Testament stress that the oral teachings of the apostles, Tradition, preceded the written record of those teachings, Scrip­ture. Often the New Testament is presented as little more than a written record of Tradition, the writer’s recollections, and a partial explanation of Christ’s teaching. This, of course, elevates Tradition to the same level of authority as Scripture—or, more precisely, drops Scripture to the level of Tradition.

But the New Testament Scriptures are much more than a written record of the oral teaching of the apostles; they are an inspired record. A biblical understanding of inspiration makes clear the significance of this distinction. Peter writes,

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21 (NIV)

Here we see that Scripture is not “the prophet’s own interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20, NIV). The word translated “interpretation” means to solve or to explain. Peter is saying that no writer of the New Testament simply recorded his own explanation of what he had heard Jesus teach and had seen Him do. Scripture does not have “its origin in the will of man” (2 Peter 1:21, NIV). The writers of the Bible did not decide that they would write a prophetic record or what would be included in Scripture. Rather, they were “carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21, NIV).

The word translated here “carried along” is found in the New Testament in Mark 2:3. There it is used with reference to the paralytic whose friends carried him to Jesus for heal­ing. Just as the paralytic did not walk by his own power, a true prophet does not write by his own impulse. He is “carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21, NIV). Men wrote the New Testament; “men spoke” (2 Peter 1:21, NIV). Their writings reflect their individual personalities and experiences. But these “men spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:21). Men wrote but God was the author.

For these reasons, Scripture is revelation perfectly communicated in God-given words:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NKJV)

The phrase “inspired by God” is the translation of a compound term made up of the words God and to breathe. The verse can be translated: “All Scripture is God-breathed. . . “(2 Timothy 3:16, NIV). Scripture is therefore rightly called the Word of God.

In reducing Scripture to simply written Tradition, Catholic proponents are able to boost the importance of Tradition. But in doing so, they distort the meaning of inspiration and minimize the primary difference between Scripture and Tradition.

The Bible contains all essential revelation.

It is true that the New Testament does not contain a record of everything that Jesus did. John makes this clear in the conclusion of his gospel:

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books which were written. John 21:25

John’s point in concluding his gospel with this comment was to acknowledge that the life of the Lord Jesus was far too wonderful to be fully contained in any book. He was not commenting on the general purpose of Scripture or the need for Tradition. Neither was he implying that he had left out of his book essential revelation received from Christ. Indeed, earlier in his gospel, John implies the opposite:

Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31

We can infer from this statement that John included in his gospel all the essential teachings of Christ necessary for salvation. Significantly, he makes no reference to seven sacraments, the Sacrifice of the Mass, sanctifying grace, penance, purgatory, or an institu­tion such as the Roman Catholic Church—all necessary for salvation according to Roman Catholicism.

The Scriptures achieve their stated purpose: “that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:17 NIV). They are the perfect guide to the Christian faith. Unlike Tradition, the Scriptures are accessible and open to all. Translations of the entire Bible have been made into the primary languages of the world, 276 in total. It is the most widely distributed and read book in all of history.

To define Roman Catholic Tradition as a font of extra-biblical revelation is to add to God’s Word. Scripture warns us “not to exceed what is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). “Do not add to His words lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar” (Proverbs 30:6). The last book of the New Testament ends with this solemn warning:

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

At question is the authority of Tradition, not Scripture.

There are hundreds of verses in the Bible establishing the truth that the Word of God is the church’s sufficient and supreme rule of faith. Psalm 119 alone dedicates 176 verses to the unparalleled value of God’s Word. The Lord Jesus taught:

Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4

Though Scriptures can be multiplied on this theme, it is not necessary to do so. The Roman Catholic Church agrees that the Bible teaches that the Word of God is the supreme rule of faith and that all theology must rest upon it. There is no question as to the suffi­ciency or authority of the Word of God.

The controversy revolves around the identity of God’s Word. Namely, is the Word of God Scripture and Tradition? Or, is the Word of God Scripture alone?

In the ongoing debate, Roman Catholic proponents enjoy taking the offensive by challenging non-Catholics to prove that God intended that the Scriptures alone were to serve as the church’s rule of faith. “Where does the Bible teach Sola Scriptura?” they demand.

Though this tactic is effective in putting their opponents on the defensive, it is in fact misleading. Both sides agree that the Scriptures are the Word of God and that as such they speak with divine authority. The Lord Jesus Himself, in John 10:35, clearly identifies the Word of God as Scripture.

The point of controversy is Tradition. The Roman Catholic Church asserts that Tradi­tion is also the Word of God.

The question which the Roman Catholic Church must answer, therefore, is: Where does Jesus, the prophets, or the apostles teach that Tradition is the Word of God? Or, more precisely: Where in the Bible can it be found that Scripture and Tradition together, as interpreted by the pope and bishops of the Roman Catholic Church, are to be the church’s rule of faith? This is what Roman Catholicism is really asserting and should be the topic of debate. And since the Roman Catholic Church is the one asserting the authority of Tradi­tion and the Magesterium, the burden of proof lies with Rome.

Adapted from The Gospel According to Rome (Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, 1995).

Notes

  1. Compare: Second Vatican Council, “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation,” no. 19.
  2. Patrick Johnstone, Operation World (Grand Rapids, MIchigan: Zondervan, 1993), p. 22.
  3. Second Vatican Council, “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation,” no. 21 and no. 24.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: ruleoffaith; scripture
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To: Resettozero
. I hope you are not too heavily invested in Roman Catholicism to see the Truth of this matter.

I do not know the veracity of the following; whether it was fact, legend, myth or just something that sounds accurate...

In the 1800's, a sign near the start of the wagon trails west:

Choose your rut carefully; as you'll be in it for a thousand miles or more.

581 posted on 02/16/2015 3:09:07 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan
How can there be two truths?

That's too vague a comment for me to answer.

Not for me, for I have no 'job'.

The is the TRUTH of the Bible, and there is the 'truth' of Catholic teachings.

582 posted on 02/16/2015 3:10:51 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan
I have to tell you, FRiend... with all due respect, your post reeks of arrogance.

My!

That is interesting!

583 posted on 02/16/2015 3:12:15 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan
...stop trying assume that I intend to “put anyone down” (I don’t) ...

My!

This is interesting; too!

584 posted on 02/16/2015 3:13:14 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan
...we can agree to take words at face-value.

Jesus called the Pharisees VIPERS!

I guess they were really SNAKES!

585 posted on 02/16/2015 3:14:30 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero

Discuss the message not the messenger.


586 posted on 02/16/2015 3:17:47 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: paladinan

Your “message” to me was not appreciated and further chats are declined.

-30-

R2z


587 posted on 02/16/2015 3:29:29 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: metmom
That'd be about average for us. Almost. Our average is 120"

But again, that is like comparing 12 people getting into a car versus a bus! Not complaining though.

These poor pics are before the last 16''. I do not have a camera, just a web cam on an old laptop, but you can see there is no place to put more but to go higher!

Snow 10-11-15.b4 16 more

Snow 10-11-15

Snow 10-11-2015

588 posted on 02/16/2015 6:50:18 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Looks just like us.

The banks between the sidewalk and the street are a good 5 feet high.

The town usually comes around with a front loader and dump truck a couple times a year and clears the snowbanks away when they get bad enough but they haven’t this year.

I’m going to ask around town and see if anyone knows anything, but next step is talking to some of the board members and find out why.


589 posted on 02/16/2015 6:56:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
The town usually comes around with a front loader and dump truck a couple times a year and clears the snowbanks away when they get bad enough but they haven’t this year.

Which is what they do not do here, despite likely 16,000+ ppl per sq. mile.

590 posted on 02/17/2015 5:07:02 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

We’re nowhere near that densely populated, but we usually do get better services for our money.

However, what you’re looking at isn’t so unusual for us.


591 posted on 02/17/2015 5:24:57 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Resettozero; Religion Moderator

Fine by me, FRiend.

(Thanks, RM!)


592 posted on 02/17/2015 6:28:56 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Heart-Rest; CynicalBear
The choice was one of putting one's faith in "Church" and putting one's faith in Christ.

You had said;

To mimic your own style of reasoning and discourse in your above comment to CB, turning that same around in counter-point, I could ask you, Heart-Rest;

But that wouldn't be entirely fair. Yet for yourself to so casually mix and blur the identities of God Himself, on the one hand, to also on the other hand BE the Church (and by that you do mean the Roman Catholic one, the one which has an earthly & human "pope") isn't at all fair either.

That is what set me off against yourself having played games with CB's other statements, turning them this way and that, saying as much as If this-then that. The same treatment should be applied to your own statements and positions.

The Roman Catholic ecclesiastical community has long imported into the Gospel itself a variety of distortion, in the end having made many among their own ecclesia end up with some blend of often looking to Mary for salvation itself --- which salvation they must then also work for, somehow making themselves holy enough (through works) to be acceptable to God.

One may as well be a Mormon or perhaps better, a Muslim (they talk all nicey-nicey about how special *Mary* was, even as they say God created Christ within her) if it be by works that we are saved.

But go ahead, object and say that the RCC doesn't teach salvation by works ---it will fall on partially-deaf ears --- for I otherwise can see for myself that when the RCC is not teaching "grace" (having been forced to return to official endorsement of salvation by the Grace of God, through the bodily sacrifice of Jesus) due to the significant theological challenges and pressures arising from the Protestant Reformation, then "they" (the RCC) do also teach salvation by works, with that being inexorably mixed in with the teaching of the need and calling towards increasing sanctification being represented much as justification itself --- in overall end result rendering Christ's own sacrifice insufficient propitiation for our own sins, that must be added to in some manner, by our own efforts.

When the Gospel itself is not obscured by presenting salvation be of works which must be done (whatever the works are which the RCC would in any particular era proscribe) then Christ's own sacrifice is turned into a pill, a flat lozenge which only priests in communion with Rome are said have the ability to "confect" (into being the body of Christ, of which it is true, all must partake of).

It is no wonder that many, once they were able to read the Scriptures in their own native languages and thus understand what was written, reacted to what had evolved as being Rome's own (16th century) approach to the thanksgiving memorial remembrance with the rhetorical charge --- "blasphemy!".

It is simply not true, that to oppose the RCC in some way, is to oppose (thus reject) God Himself. The RCC is not God. Please stop broadcasting the confused (and confusing) message that He is.

593 posted on 02/17/2015 7:29:03 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: OneWingedShark

Sorry for the slow reply. I wanted to read what you wrote carefully first and it was a busy weekend.

Yes, I agree with everything you wrote in your reply. John testifies to Jesus, and so saying that Jesus is superior to John doesn’t mean we should ignore or reject John.

But if that’s the case, I don’t understand your suggestion that we should not “hold to” the Magesterium of the Catholic Church because Jesus is superior to the Magesterium? If the opposite of “hold to” is reject, it doesn’t make sense, because we both agree that we shouldn’t per se reject everything that is inferior to Christ.

So maybe I am missing the meaning of the phrase “hold to”?


594 posted on 02/17/2015 7:50:26 AM PST by edwinland
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To: metmom
Slogging through some of the backlogged comments; thanks for your patience!

[paladinan]
There are literally thousands of denominations which claim to be "sola Scriptura" adherents, and yet they come to contradictory conclusions... to the extent that, at least at some point, they all split away from other Christian groups, and divided the Body of Christ more and more painfully. How are you, personally, in a position to say that they are wrong, and you are right?

[metmom]
That has been refuted numerous times.

I've seen many responses. I've yet to see any refutations.

Nor does the existence of numerous denominations mean that they by default, think that everyone else is wrong.

In the general sense, you're absolutely right--in the sense that two groups who split from each other don't *necessarily* have to differ in doctrine (I think of the second Catholic/Orthodox split in 1054 A.D., which was almost purely political... and core doctrinal differences didn't come up until much later; see my previous comment for details.) But I didn't just "assume" that "different group = different belief"; I went and checked (and I gave examples, above). Here's a short list, again:

1) "Baptism is a regenerative Sacrament, and it's necessary for salvation." (believed by Anglicans/Episcopalians, many Lutherans, and assorted other sola-Scriptura adherents [hereafter "SSA's"]

2) "Baptism may be a meaningful "ordinance" and symbol, but it is not a Sacrament, not regenerative, and not required for salvation." (believed by most Evangelical SSA's)

1) "Worship on Sunday is the prescribed and God-honoring way to keep holy the Lord's Day." (most SSA's)

2) "Worship on Sunday (as opposed to Saturday, the "true Sabbath") is the Mark of the Beast (as described in Revelation), a violation of the 4th commandment, and damns those who not repent of it." (Seventh-Day Adventists)

1) "God is three Persons in one God--the Trinity." (most SSA's)

2) "God is one Person in one God, since anything else is mere polytheism with a pretty mask." (Unitarian Pentecostals, and other modalist SSA's)

1) "The Eucharist is the highest form of worship we can offer to God, since it entails Christ's Own offering of Himself." (many Anglicans/Episcopalians, some Lutherans)

2) "The Eucharist is an abomination and sheer idolatry." (many Evangelical SSA's, Assemblies of God, etc.)

...and the list goes on. Remember when you said, "Something can't be true and not true at the same time" (which is absolutely correct)? That's the problem, here... and all of the above are believed by non-Catholics who attribute their beliefs to sola Scriptura. (Go check their statements of faith on their websites, if you doubt.)

Differences in governance or focus and ministry outreach, does not automatically translate into doctrinal differences.

That's true. I hope you keep that in mind if you're ever tempted to attribute "division" to Catholicism merely because the Dominicans have a different charism and approach than the Franciscans, for example.

Nor does it mean that they are not saved. There are Pentecostals who practice the gifts and Baptists who don't. Big deal.

What of the Pentecostals who claim that you are wrong, and that those who don't manifest charismata (e.g. speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc.) are not yet saved? You and they can't both be right; either it's a matter of salvation/damnation, or it's "no big deal"--not both. Which is it, and how do you prove your case?

Nowhere in Scripture does God ever demand lockstep adherence to the same teachings of the Bible.

See my previous comment, re: "lockstep" this-or-that.

The fact that some come to different interpretations on some verses does not disqualify the concept that Scripture contains all we need to know to attain salvation and to grow and mature in Christ. It's not a problem with the Scripture, nor the doctrine.

DIFFERENT interpretations are not necessarily a problem. CONTRADICTORY interpretations, on grave matters, ARE a problem.

Scripture is inherently authoritative by virtue of the fact that it is the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired word of God. It is all we need to grow in the knowledge of Him, as Scripture itself states.

Scripture itself does NOT say that it is "all we need"; those are your words, not those of the Bible (see our previous discussion on 2 Timothy); in fact, it says the opposite on many occasions (e.g. Acts 8:30-31: "So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" And [the eunuch] said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?") In addition, you haven't yet shown me that you have the correct Bible (instead of a 66-book fragment).

Every criticism against sola Scriptura can be used against the CCC and the RCC magisterium.

No, it can't. But even if it could, this is a "tu quoque" fallacy... trying to excuse your own argument's flaws by pointing out alleged flaws in those of others. Pointing out your neighbor's leaky boat doesn't patch your own leaky boat.

Catholics do not all agree on every aspect of Catholicism,

The teaching authority of the Church does not rest with "Catholics" as individuals; it rests with the Magisterium of the Church (the Pope, and the bishops in union with him). There are always going to be Catholics who are confused or disobedient, just as there are Protestants who are confused or disobedient; that's not the point, since they're not the source of doctrine in teh first place. We don't find out Catholic teaching by doing a survey of Catholics (even writers/theologians); we find it out by asking the Magisterium itself. (Have you checked out a Catechism, yet?)

and yet they continue to claim they have a superior system by adding tradition and human leadership to the mix.

We didn't "add" anything; Protestantism threw out the baby (Sacred Tradition) with the bathwater (TRUE abuses).

If Scripture isn't adequate, being from the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, infallible, eternal, God Himself, then nothing fallible, mortal, sinful, blinded man adds to it is going to improve it in any way.

You keep saying that--i.e. "If Scripture isn't adequate!". Who's saying that it isn't adequate? (I'm not!) I'm simply saying that it was never designed to work ALONE. Key word: ALONE. (We also need to have ALL of the Scriptures, and not simply the books and parts which early Protestants decided not to edit out.) Scripture is more than adequate for the purposes for which God gave it to us, just as water may be more than adequate to put out a specific fire; but it needs other things, as well (e.g. a fire hose, water pressure, people to man the hose, etc.). I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say that... but you keep missing that idea and "skidding around" that idea on two wheels!
595 posted on 02/17/2015 7:56:44 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: BlueDragon
It is simply not true, that to oppose the RCC in some way, is to oppose (thus reject) God Himself. The RCC is not God. Please stop broadcasting the confused (and confusing) message that He is.

I think you missed Heart-Rest's point, here. The point is not that the Church is somehow ""God" (which is absurd); the point is that the Church is the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, the custodian of His revelation, and the God-ordained means by which His Salvation is communicated to the world. To reject the Church is akin to rejecting the ambassador of the King; and I imagine there would be few Kings who would be pleased by the excuse, "Hey, all I did was reject some dumb ambassador... I didn't reject YOU, Your Majesty!" If God established His Church, to the extent that He identifies Her with Himself (cf. Acts 9:4, etc.) and with His Beloved, spotless Bride (Ephesians 5:32, Revelation 9:7-9, Revelation 21, etc.), then it's no trivial matter to reject Her. She doesn't need to be deified in order to be beloved by (and acting in the Name of) the Deity.
596 posted on 02/17/2015 8:05:07 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan; All

Good grief... this thread has gone to Mars, and back!

If I forgot to address anyone’s substantial points, could you ping me to that effect, and point me to the comment(s)? I can’t promise to get to them all, but I’d like to hit the major ones...

Daniel1212, I’m especially trying to get back to yours, if I could only find the silly thing! Even my ping list isn’t much help, because it’s flooded!


597 posted on 02/17/2015 8:08:45 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: metmom
We’re nowhere near that densely populated, but we usually do get better services for our money. However, what you’re looking at isn’t so unusual for us.

With 6-7 foot banks now most would say that it is a good thing we do not have your usual! I heard that when the Ntl. Guard commander arrived here from Buffalo NY (i know not where you are) after the Blizzard of 78 then he said something like, "What's the big deal," but 3,0000 vehicles were abandoned on Rt. 128. Yet now they have to get sanction to even dump snow in the ocean!

598 posted on 02/17/2015 8:18:19 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

God help us.

Deliver us from the government who is here to help.....


599 posted on 02/17/2015 8:40:12 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DarkWaters; metmom
You will be forced to choose either being Catholic, or being pagan.

Being Catholic is not and will never be a choice for me. I am first, last, and always a Christian. My Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ and He never asked me to pray to some demigod, He never asked me to pray to a statue, and He never said my salvation was conditioned on obedience to some dictator in Rome or his minions.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

That's what Jesus said. He didn't say that I could only be saved conditioned on satisfying the earthly requirements of a bureaucracy that was long ago compromised and infiltrated by homosexuals.

600 posted on 02/17/2015 8:43:10 AM PST by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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