Posted on 02/11/2015 12:02:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
Well, let's make this really simple and leave it up to the individual to decide for themselves. We all agree that what is in scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. I would also think we could all agree that when the apostles wrote an epistle and instructed the recipients to share them they wrote all that was needed for salvation. Surely it would be a stretch to think that the apostles would have seen every convert in person. I think we can also agree that word of mouth is not the best way to transmit information accurately especially through multiple tellings.
So now we have a choice. Put our faith in what we all agree are the infallible writings of the apostles or put our trust in those who claim to have gotten information through multiple tellings over centuries. I've seen how stories change through multiple tellings. I'll stay with the known source and put my faith and trust in Christ alone. You decide for yourself who you will trust.
I'm assuming you meant Jews not news. I would like to see your source documentation for that.
>>on whose authority were those books and letters now present in the canon of scripture actually placed into the canon.<<
That has been covered pretty thoroughly in these forums and rehashing it won't affect what you believe evidently. At least I'll not waste my time.
Why was Kennedy granted one when there were children?
That is the point. There's nothing in Scripture you can solidly point to and say here is the immacualte conception.
We can do that on other points of Christianity. For example, how is one saved. John 3:15-16 gives us the answer. It's clear.
Now, take the catholic way at interpresting Scripture from an allegorical perspective, which is how the IC and assumption came to be defined. And no, there isn't a verse on that, but there doesn't need to be. A reading of the text tells us what we need to know, especially when you keep it in context.
The whole arugment of Mary being the new Eve is what drives a lot of this. It's a nice thought, but scripturally we have nothing that tells us that Mary is the New Eve. That's where the allegory angle comes in.
It's also eisogesis....reading something into Scripture that isn't there. Catholics do this with John 21:25. Just because not everything Jesus ever did was written down do we begin to assume he did other things. This is partly the justification for the assumption.
For example, the Mormons could claim this verse to justify their belief that Jesus appeared to the Indians in North America. Is there anything in Scripture saying He didn't? No. Is there anything in Scripture that said He did? No. So from the Mormon perspective they can claim He did because we can't prove He didn't. BTW...I am not a Mormon and totally disagree with their postions.
This is what catholicism has done with the assumption. We have no record of Mary dying. We don't have record of Joseph dying either for that matter. Was he assumed also? Did Mary die? We don't know; but odds are pretty high she did. Was she taken up before she died? We don't know. We have no solid evidence she was or wasn't. It's a nice thought, but it is not supported by Scripture. None of the apostles wrote about it. John didn't address it and his Gospel is the last one written. We have no eyewitnesses to it.
Besides, it is a detour to the message of the Gospel. The gospels are about Christ and how Christ came to save us. That should be the focus.
Instead, the rcc has put up a detour with all of this business of mary. It's a distraction from the purpose of the Gospel. Who benefits from this? Satan.
If more people are focused on praying to Mary, worshipping Mary, etc, the less attention is paid to Jesus. And that is the goal of Satan.
From Christ, Himself. He built One Church (Matthew 16:18, Ephesians 4:5, etc.) as the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth (1 Timothy 3:15)... as Scripture and Christian history both testify.
How do you know? You stated Christ never wrote anything down and never commanded Scriptures written down. So like a New England Patriot's football, the argument is underinflated and runs flat.
I can’t comment on a situation I know nothing about...but I do know that some are not granted...
The early church fathers separated the writing of the Church from the “inspired and inerrant” Word of God. This they call they Bible.
So the real question is what tradition are you following? The tradition of the early church or the tradition of the Council of Trent?
They don't need to leave the Catholic church to leave their spouse.
All they have to do is pay someone off and get an annulment.
annulment = RCC sanctioned divorce
And it isn't Peter.
Also, here, Paul identifies who petra is, and that is Christ. This link takes you to the Greek.
http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/10-4.htm
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
It simply cannot get any plainer.
....the Rock (petra) was Christ.
Yes, folks can judge for themselves.
Never called you Satan or Satan’s servant.
Did not mind-read either.
Just pointed out that both approaches to God’s Word were similar.
Also pointed out what Christ used authoritatively.. His own Words, which He said “it is written.”
If you can present evidence that the Roman Catholic church preceded the written scriptures show it here.
The Catholic church has left its parishioners high and dry as far as interpreting Scripture. They condemn YOPIOS and yet won’t even provide an infallible one for their congregants.
Well, then, Catholics have no complaint when anyone wants to interpret Scripture as the Holy Spirit leads them.
Whistling past the graveyard, will not save prots.
“Worshiping” the Bible? Hardly. The Bible is The Word. It is Christ whom we worship.
I’ve been to many protestant churchs been member to many kinds as well..
sure looks like worship to me.. basic idolotry it is..
much like RCC does with statues and orders and ceremony and other stuff....
of course all deny their worship is worship.. but it is..
I know what worship actually is.. can’t fool me...
Little difference between Totems, Amulets, JuJu Bags and worship..
Not that I have a problem with it.. liberals worship givernment too.. and many football..
Having a GOD is free choice with me..
Designer GODS galore out there.. but
I doubt a real God would want or need worship.. as the golden rule implys..
Worship appears to be such a pagan thing.. distant, impersonal..
In post 78 you stated that Scripture wasn’t adequate for the believer for growth and maturity in Christ and I provided you a verse out of Scripture to show that Scripture states that very thing, that it IS adequate.
You have no basis for criticizing anyone’s personal interpretation of Scripture since your church has neglected to provide an infallible interpretation of the entire Bible.
Therefore, since they’ve left everyone high and dry to fend for themselves, the RCC has no basis for complaint.
Additionally, the Holy Spirit guides believers into spiritual truth and understanding just as Jesus opened the minds of the disciples to understand Scripture.
I did post that verse in my reply.
It was either unread, ignored, or totally lost due to deception.
I'm sure it is to you. I don't suppose you have given any thought to about what happens when you die?
I did address the issues. By your statements, your faith relies on what the Roman Catholic church tells you first. I know this and have been there. Whenever doubt is cast on God's Word in scriptures, it is not Moses, David, the prophets, nor Jesus Christ and His disciples casting that doubt. It is either Satan, the Pharisees et. al.
That is why I quoted what I did. Jesus made is crystal clear by word, deed, action He was the Messiah. If you can show me where Jesus quotes oral tradition in His truth claims, show it here. I can show you where He quoted from the very Word He inspired over the ages.
Mary is dead.
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