Posted on 01/29/2015 7:46:27 AM PST by Salvation
One writen by Martin Luther, or John Calvin.
Stop the bus. You've attended masses where Luther's A Mighty Fortess Is Our God and hymns from Calvin's Genevan Psalter have been sung?
Changes were certainly well underway before the Holy Week change. Permissions for the vernacular were being given more and more through the 1900s, particularly in mission territories. Then there was the “Novus Ordo” of the Breviary by Pius X, who really gutted the Roman Office. I’m not sure why he gets off scot-free when Paul VI gets his due criticism.
Msgr Pope is right that the Mass of 1965 was a much less jarring change than that of 1970. Though perhaps the modernists would have perverted any Missal they were given.
The picture was taken at the moment the two acolytes prayed at the end of the Confiteor “...at te Pater ad Dominum Deum Nostrum.”
I can still dream all the Latin prayers expected to be recited by an acolyte.
The “old” Mass was the most impressive event to me while I was a young “altar boy” and as a graduate student in Chemical Engineering.
Miss it awfully.
Yes.
By its fruits you shall know it.
Last time I looked some of them were in our hymnal, or music missal. Sometimes the words have been changed, but the music is there.
Alex I thought as a religion news junkie you’da heard about the Sacred Music Exchange Program!
Check your hymnal on Sunday for “O Queen of the Holy Rosary”. ;)
Ha...there really is a hymn exchange program! On a lark I searched for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_Our_Fathers_%28hymn%29
and found it in the Trinity Hymnal of the OPC:
http://www.opc.org/hymn.html?hymn_id=165
It’s a mad, mad world!
I also have a 1965 missal. Ping!
This translation is better than the old one, but it’s still the 1970 missal (although with some tweaks). The 1965 missal was basically just a translation of the low mass from the Old Rite, with a few changes to “tidy up” some loose ends left from earlier revisions.
It is very true that changes had been going on since Pius X. The major one that I recall is that in the 1950s, the Easter Vigil, which had disappeared centuries before, was reintroduced by Pius XII.
There had actually been many changes made since Pius X, and while the changes that appeared in the 1970 were not the changes in question (and in fact, were undreamed of by anybody except Bugnini and the bunch of liturgical wackos who put them together), there were plans to make a few more reasonable changes.
Personally, I don’t object to using the vernacular in parts of the Mass, and actually, there were some already some dioceses where particular churches, university churches, generally, had permission to offer the Mass in English, at least in the “public” parts. The translation was that already approved for use in the missals.
But what happened in 1970 was a complete break with Catholic liturgical tradition, particularly since, while it was imposed rapidly and harshly and destroyed the old immediately, it wasn’t even very fixed in its own form. Bishops and even priests were given the right to modify just about everything for “pastoral reasons.” And thus was born the clown mass...
Amazing grace. One of my favorite songs but theologically wrong.
Glad you said. I won’t sing it at all.
Like Isaac Watt's hymns I suppose?
...Destroy not my soul with the wicked, O God, nor my life with men of blood, in whose hands are iniquities...their right hand is filled with gifts..
Pope St. Pius X? Perhaps you meant Pius XII. Changing the Breviary is a minor thing compared to the gutting of the Mass.
And then there’s the “minor” problem of Pope St. Pius V Quo Primum -”We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it.” But then again, that piece of paper was written long ago and could not have foreseen the changes that have come about. Sound familiar?
Not so much “protestant” —didn’t hear many Charles Wesley hymns — as banal tunes and lyrics meant to copy the “folk”music”of the day. More than that, they were discordant with the tone of the English liturgy, as most Anglican music is not. As for the guitar music, I am reminded very time I hear them, played side by side. how much better Spain music than English version of the same songs. You need a guitar musician with the talent of Glen Campbell to make words and music come together properly, and I can’t think of any Catholic guitar tunes of the period that were anything except bad.
How is Amazing Grace wrong IAW Scripture?
It postulates that Grace is a forensic event as opposed to an ongoing process.
How precious did that Grace appear The hour I first believed.
John 3:6 ESV / No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1 John 3:9 ESV /No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
Hebrews 10:26 ESV /For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Yes, I meant Pope St. Pius X. His sanctity notwithstanding, he totally reorganized the Roman Office and enjoined it on the Latin Church. Read Dom Alcuin Reid’s “On the Organic Development of the Liturgy”.
And I disagree about it being a minor thing. It’s minor to the laity sure, but the Divine Office is every bit as liturgical as the Mass and every priest and religious has to say it. Without impugning that great Pontiff, I think he was wrong to so dramatically change things and force everyone to conform to it.
If you’re citing Quo Primum as an absolute prohibition against the Mass ever changing *at all*, Michael Davies (God rest his soul) argued that an equal cannot bind an equal and that the same authority which promulgated Quo Primum could also repeal it. As Davies went on to say, the Pope has the *authority* to change the Missal, but prudence would dictate that he do so extremely judiciously and organically. That was not done in 1970.
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