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1 posted on 01/25/2015 1:52:55 PM PST by NYer
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Some interesting comments at the above link, including the three men that appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18:1-2. Catholic ping!


2 posted on 01/25/2015 1:54:44 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

No.


3 posted on 01/25/2015 1:55:00 PM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: NYer

Muzzies will say it is Mohammed or Allah!


4 posted on 01/25/2015 1:58:29 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Is the Angel of the Lord the Pre-Incarnate Christ?
150 Titles of Christ from the Scriptures [Ecumenical]
Tome of St. Leo the Great on the Two Natures of Christ
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5 posted on 01/25/2015 1:59:01 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

An angel is a created being.


12 posted on 01/25/2015 2:12:44 PM PST by fso301
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This is ‘too complicated’ for me. I’ll just stick with angels being God’s messengers to mankind.


17 posted on 01/25/2015 2:18:34 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer
Another pre-incarnational Christ is seen as wisdom of the Lord. In Proverbs we read:

The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made any thing from the beginning. I was set up from eternity, and of old before the earth was made. The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived. neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out: The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was brought forth: He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was present: when with a certain law and compass he enclosed the depths: When he established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters: When he compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when be balanced the foundations of the earth; I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; Playing in the world: and my delights were to be with the children of men. Now therefore, ye children, hear me: Blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that heareth me, and that watcheth daily at my gates, and waiteth at the posts of my doors. He that shall find me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord: But he that shall sin against me, shall hurt his own soul. All that hate me love death. (Proverbs 8:22-36)

This, too, is a proper background for St. Paul:

…we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, a wisdom which is hidden, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew; for if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory.  But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him. (1 Corinthians 2:7-9)



Sophia Wisdom of God

28 posted on 01/25/2015 2:36:07 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Maybe, maybe not. It isn’t important, and not worth arguing over.


34 posted on 01/25/2015 2:59:17 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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I believe that the Angel of the Lord is God Himself.

When we bless ourselves we say ‘In the Name of the Father (Creator) and the of Son (Christ) and of the Holy Spirit (Angel of the Lord)’.
We only pray to one God.

Jesus said:
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me


36 posted on 01/25/2015 3:06:17 PM PST by RedMDer (I don't listen to Liars but when I do I know it's Barack Obama.)
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Who knows?


37 posted on 01/25/2015 3:08:21 PM PST by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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Saint Ambrose believed the Angel of the Lord was the Pre-Incarnate Christ. Saint Augustine did not. This is a shame. In my opinion, this interpretive shift with Augustine was a bad theological move.

ECF disagreeing with each other PING

42 posted on 01/25/2015 3:22:08 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer

Divine communication with mankind, in either direction, is done Through Him, With Him, In Him.


57 posted on 01/25/2015 4:58:35 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: NYer

No need to read more into Scripture tan what He provides. IMHO, the Angel of the Lord probably was the same person as the Son, but if God had wanted to communicate that to us in Scripture, He would certainly have so presented it.

IMHO, those who study Scripture through faith in Christ, are given the proper understanding when they read the passage by the work of God the Holy Spirit in our human spirit, thereby further sanctifying our souls.

The is danger, however, in advancing the doctrines academically, independent of faith in Him.


59 posted on 01/25/2015 5:06:22 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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