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To: CynicalBear; don-o

Is that enough?


That is more than enough. It is agreed that Jesus was fully man and fully God.

Now, did Jesus die as man and as God? Was the incarnate Christ a single entity; at once God and man? Or does the Nestorian doctrine hold true; that the Divine and the human were two separate entities. Even so, would it have been sufficient for Christ to die only in His human form? Or was it necessary for Christ to die in His divinity, that is, as God, in order to redeem us from our sins.In Luke 24, Jesus says to the two disciples, “Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?” I believe Christ is at once God and man. And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.

As to Psalm 22. The witnesses were saying that He was invoking Elijah. Was He doing that? Did He truly believe the Father had abandoned Him? Was He interpreting what referred to him in the Psalm? I don’t think he was calling Himself a worm. Other than that, I don’t know.


770 posted on 01/26/2015 3:28:11 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265
What is this? The inquisition?

>>And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.<<

Wow! You have the God/man relationship down pat in your mind don't you.

The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.

Now, you like asking questions but you don't answer mine. If Jesus is God and God is one who was Jesus talking to when on the cross he said "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me"?

771 posted on 01/26/2015 3:38:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.

Just wow.......

Where is that in the CCC? Or is that your own personal interpretation of ........ something........

Now this is the SECOND person who's saying that Deity died when Jesus died.

The Author of Life Himself died?

Catholicism is more screwed up than I ever imagined it could be.

824 posted on 01/26/2015 6:27:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265
Even so, would it have been sufficient for Christ to die only in His human form?

What happens to the body, soul and spirit when a Christian dies??? That's what happened when Jesus died...

888 posted on 01/26/2015 8:21:18 PM PST by Iscool
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>>I believe Christ is at once God and man.<<

I would suggest that there is not a human on earth that understands that union.

>>And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.<<

And yet you also claim that God is one just as you claim that Jesus was one as man and God right? That leaves you with a serious problem. Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.

So now tell me. If God is one and can not be separated and Jesus is man and God and can not be separated who did God raise from the dead? Is God separable or is the humanity and Godhood of Jesus somehow seperable?

I would say that it's Jesus humanity that died on that cross and not His Godhood. That being the case, the Catholic Church has a problem on their hands with the term "mother of God". What say you Catholics?

942 posted on 01/27/2015 5:41:05 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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