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To: rwa265; don-o; Grateful2God; Arthur McGowan; metmom; boatbums; BlueDragon; Mark17; Heart-Rest; ...
>>I believe Christ is at once God and man.<<

I would suggest that there is not a human on earth that understands that union.

>>And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.<<

And yet you also claim that God is one just as you claim that Jesus was one as man and God right? That leaves you with a serious problem. Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.

So now tell me. If God is one and can not be separated and Jesus is man and God and can not be separated who did God raise from the dead? Is God separable or is the humanity and Godhood of Jesus somehow seperable?

I would say that it's Jesus humanity that died on that cross and not His Godhood. That being the case, the Catholic Church has a problem on their hands with the term "mother of God". What say you Catholics?

942 posted on 01/27/2015 5:41:05 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; don-o; Grateful2God; Arthur McGowan; metmom

There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. Then he saw a boy in front of him who had dug a hole in the sand and was going out to the sea again and again and bringing some water to pour into the hole. St. Augustine asked him, “What are you doing?” “I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole.” “That is impossible, the whole ocean will not fit in the hole you have made” said St. Augustine. The boy replied, “And you cannot fit the Trinity in your tiny little brain.” The story concludes by saying that the boy vanished because St. Augustine had been talking to an angel.

In the same way, we cannot fit Jesus in our tiny little brains. So yes, it is true, there is not a human on earth that understands Christ as God and man.

Having said that, I became involved in this discussion because I could not understand how someone could believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus without also being the mother of God. I think I do now but by all means correct me if I am wrong. I am not adverse to admitting that others may have a better theory.

There are different teachings on Jesus as God and man. One teaching holds that the incarnate Jesus is a single entity, at once God and man. Another teaching, the Nestorian doctrine, holds that there are two separate entities in Jesus, one God and one man.

I seems that this is at the heart of the disagreement on whether Mary is the mother of God. Those who hold that Jesus is the mother of God believe it only in the sense that Jesus is at once God and man. Those who hold that Jesus is not the mother of God believe that Jesus is two separate entities and Mary is the mother of Jesus only in his incarnate form.

Does this make any sense?

As to your saying that I claim that God is one, I’m not sure where you saw that I made that claim. I do believe that there is one God, but in three separate entities, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We can see this separateness in the baptism of the Lord, where the Father was the voice in heaven, the Son was Christ being baptized, and the Spirit was in the form of a dove who came to rest above Jesus.

So as to your question about who raised Jesus from the dead, we know from Scripture that it was God. But which person of the Trinity?

And to your question about who did God raise from the dead, we also know from Scripture that it was Christ. But was it Christ as God and man or was it only the incarnate Christ.

My tiny little brain does not have the answers.


1,026 posted on 01/27/2015 10:12:34 AM PST by rwa265
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