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To: ADSUM
Why not look at the full context of John 6 instead of cherry-picking a few scriptures?

Let's consider the words of Jesus:

John 6:27 (NLT) - 27 But don’t be so concerned about perishable things like food. Spend your energy seeking the eternal life that the Son of Man can give you. For God the Father has given me the seal of his approval.”

John 6:29 (NLT) - 29 Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.

John 6:32-40 (NLT) - 32 Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, Moses didn’t give you bread from heaven. My Father did. And now he offers you the true bread from heaven. 33 The true bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “give us that bread every day.” 35 Jesus replied, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But you haven’t believed in me even though you have seen me. 37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:43-51 (NLT) - 43 But Jesus replied, “Stop complaining about what I said. 44 For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. 45 As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46 (Not that anyone has ever seen the Father; only I, who was sent from God, have seen him.) 47 “I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life. 48 Yes, I am the bread of life! 49 Your ancestors ate manna in the wilderness, but they all died. 50 Anyone who eats the bread from heaven, however, will never die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever; and this bread, which I will offer so the world may live, is my flesh.”

John 6:60-65 (NLT) - 60 Many of his disciples said, “This is very hard to understand. How can anyone accept it?” 61 Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? 63 The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.) 65 Then he said, “That is why I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father gives them to me.”

John 6:66-69 (NLT) - 66 At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him. 67 Then Jesus turned to the Twelve and asked, “Are you also going to leave?” 68 Simon Peter replied, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words that give eternal life. 69 We believe, and we know you are the Holy One of God.”

Now, what is the real revelation found in John 6, eating food, or believing in the Living Word?

Failure to understand figurative language happens more often than it should.

Matthew 16:6-7 (AMP) - 6 Jesus said to them, Be careful and on your guard against the leaven (ferment) of the Pharisees and Sadducees. 7 And they reasoned among themselves about it, saying, It is because we did not bring any bread.

Matthew 16:11-12 (AMP) - 11 How is it that you fail to understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But beware of the leaven (ferment) of the Pharisees and Sadducees. 12 Then they discerned that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

It wasn't bread but the folly of the religious folks. That warning is still good advice.

John 4:11-13 (AMP) - 11 She said to Him, Sir, You have nothing to draw with [no drawing bucket] and the well is deep; how then can You provide living water? [Where do You get Your living water?] 12 Are You greater than and superior to our ancestor Jacob, who gave us this well and who used to drink from it himself, and his sons and his cattle also? 13 Jesus answered her, All who drink of this water will be thirsty again.

It wasn't literal water that Jesus offers.

John 3:3-4 (KJV) - 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:10-12 (KJV) - 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Nicodemus was a "master of Israel" and still missed it. Revelation knowledge does not come easy to the spiritually dead, or carnal Christians.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) - 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1,220 posted on 01/27/2015 7:10:54 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz

You assume a lot. I have posted the relevant part of John 6.

Check out my previous posts.

You have many quotes, some have relevance, and others do not.

Many can not accept the literal words of Jesus.Yes the Bible is full of different literary styles.

Many have responded with personal opinion, but do not refute the clear logical words of Jesus.

The words were important to Jesus, and I believe that many are rejecting His words and rejecting Him.

By your question: “Now, what is the real revelation found in John 6, eating food, or believing in the Living Word?” I believe that you do not understand the The Word or the Truth. It is not about eating food, but accepting God and believing His word.

Many claim to be followers of Christ, but do not believe or accept some of His teachings (even if they say so). Christ knows who believes in Him.


1,224 posted on 01/27/2015 7:44:05 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: Kandy Atz

Taking a passage and deciding to interpret it either literally or figuratively, depending on what doctrine you want to support, will only lead to error.

It’s no way to do exegesis and fake all of a passage figuratively except one verse you like literally.

So Catholics claim that you have to LITERALLY eat, Jesus but go on to ignore where He said that the words He spoke were Spirit and life and the flesh avails for nothing. They ignore where he says SEEING and believing gives life. They don’t take literally that they will never die, but claim that’s just a spiritual meaning, and a whole host of other inconsistencies.


1,342 posted on 01/28/2015 12:00:40 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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