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To: Cvengr
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John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

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Paul got it right in 1Corinthians 15:

[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

161 posted on 01/19/2015 10:34:57 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

My apologies for being too quick to respond.

I don’t know what your spiritual gifts are if you are saved.

I know you have an affinity for Greek and Hebrew studies associated with the Hebrew Roots movement, which I believe has some very strong cultic leanings, if not heretical.

The regenerated human spirit is a very real aspect of the Christian life.

It isn’t known to those who lack ever expressing faith alone in Christ alone, if even for an instant then lapsing back out of fellowship.

Those who rigorously study the Word out of fellowship are like those who might enter the vicinity of the Holy Place and eat of the 12 loaves on the table, but consume them without having bathed in the bronze laver nor by the light of the golden candlestick. Instead of sanctifying their soul, they scar their souls in academics, instead of education.

The believer today is saved, sealed, and fights the supernatural spiritual fight through faith in Christ. We are indwelt by all three members of the Godhead and are invisible warriors in His glory.

While not all details are laid out in Scripture, adequate information is provided for all of us to walk the walk and perform His Works which He has planned from eternity past.

I agree with the passage in John where no man has ascended to heaven as the abode of God the Father, but we still fight wherever He chooses through faith in Christ.


162 posted on 01/19/2015 3:06:50 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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