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German Catholics Criticize Anti-Islam Marches, but Urge Understanding
Catholic Philly.com ^ | 1/14/15 | Jonathon Luxmoore

Posted on 01/15/2015 4:35:34 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: ealgeone

Well this Catholic is using her God-giving COMMON SENSE and I know that position is a clunker. I would rather go with what those Catholic saints who were around when Islam was first was around. They saw it for what it is.


21 posted on 01/15/2015 6:34:04 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: defconw
Francis insisted that it was an "aberration" to kill in the name of God and said religion can never be used to justify violence.

Waiting on the catholic church to apologize for the killings of all non-catholics during the Middle Ages.

Until then....the pope and catholicism has very, very little room to talk on this issue.

22 posted on 01/15/2015 6:39:17 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: defconw; Biggirl
defconw wrote: Hey you protestants, first see if you can agree on one thing and then go talk to the Muslims. We’ll jump in after you try.

biggirl wrote:Well this Catholic is using her God-giving COMMON SENSE and I know that position is a clunker. I would rather go with what those Catholic saints who were around when Islam was first was around. They saw it for what it is.

defconw, sounds like catholicism has its own personal interpretations as well. until catholicism is in 100% accord on everything, and I mean everything, you have no room to lecture anyone else.

I agree with biggirl though.

23 posted on 01/15/2015 6:43:14 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: marshmallow

Is it the baggage from Germany’s previous embrace of Nazism which leads them to promote “tolerance” at any cost?

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Probably.


24 posted on 01/15/2015 6:50:16 AM PST by Bigg Red (Congress, do your duty and repo his pen and his phone.)
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To: ealgeone

The Pope’s opnion is never going to be 100% agreed upon. But at least we have a leader.


25 posted on 01/15/2015 6:54:59 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: defconw
The Pope’s opnion is never going to be 100% agreed upon. But at least we have a leader.

It doesn't matter....catholics have to be 100% subject to the pope. You have ZERO say in the mater. And don't say you don't have to be subject to the pope because there are too many quotes from the pope saying you have to be.

Christians have a leader....His name is Jesus. Unlike the pope, He's never, ever wrong on any issue.

26 posted on 01/15/2015 6:57:39 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: redgolum

As a Roman Catholic of many, many years, I have never heard any priest criticize any Protestant religion. Respect for other Christian religions and for Judaism is preached occasionally, though.

Perhaps, thinking is different in your denomination, “American Catholicism”.


27 posted on 01/15/2015 6:58:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Congress, do your duty and repo his pen and his phone.)
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To: marshmallow

Baudisch is blind.


28 posted on 01/15/2015 7:27:09 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Biggirl

That is what we do in my LCMS church as part of the New Years service (and Easter vigil).


29 posted on 01/15/2015 7:40:22 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Every Good Friday, there is a list of petitions that are offered during the very simple prayer service, since there is no mass or liturgy and it includes prayers for those who believe in God but not in Jesus. Though not mentioned in name, most likely it is for the Muslims.


30 posted on 01/15/2015 8:04:50 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: marshmallow

“Is it the baggage from Germany’s previous embrace of Nazism which leads them to promote “tolerance” at any cost?”


The answer is YES! They are terrified more of seeming to look like Nazis, than of Islamic terrorism. They speak irrationally of the danger that the western world is facing.


31 posted on 01/15/2015 8:24:18 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: redgolum

“Love the muslims, hate the protestants (the priest had a nice anti protestant sermon on Christmas eve, followed by how much he respected the mosque across the street).”


I am Catholic, and this sounds crazy. I have not ever heard a sermon in my church which could be called ‘anti-Protestant’ - unless it would be a call for people to return to the Catholic Church.

I do think that the entire Western world is bending over backwards to not offend Muslims - or say anything bad about Islam. They are in a state of denial about the dangers we face.


32 posted on 01/15/2015 8:29:49 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Biggirl; ealgeone
>>This one Catholic rejected that position.<<

So it's ok for Catholics to not believe parts of the Catechism?

33 posted on 01/15/2015 9:25:47 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redgolum
the priest had a nice anti protestant sermon on Christmas eve

Honestly can't say I've ever heard an "anti protestant" sermon, whether on Christmas eve or any other day.

34 posted on 01/15/2015 11:57:36 AM PST by Campion
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To: ealgeone
catholics have to be 100% subject to the pope

Only in areas where his authority is lawful. If the Pope tried to tell me to buy a red Ford instead of a yellow Chevy, he's out-of-bounds. Similarly, if he starts telling me what to believe about a scientific question that has no bearing on the truths of the faith, he's also out-of-bounds. The same is true of any other authority; a President who tries to tell me what to believe about religion is outside his lawful authority.

35 posted on 01/15/2015 12:00:30 PM PST by Campion
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>catholics have to be 100% subject to the pope<

Only in areas where his authority is lawful. If the Pope tried to tell me to buy a red Ford instead of a yellow Chevy, he's out-of-bounds. Similarly, if he starts telling me what to believe about a scientific question that has no bearing on the truths of the faith, he's also out-of-bounds. The same is true of any other authority; a President who tries to tell me what to believe about religion is outside his lawful authority.

"Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors." (Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

PPXI didn't leave much room for negotiation there.

You know, if sure helps if you follow the thread on this. This reply about being 100% subject to the pope dealt with the CCC's statement on catholics and islam. Biggirl took exception to this. She noted would basically do her own thing.

This is what she didn't agree with.

The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. ccc841

As this is a matter of faith, biggirl and all catholics have to subject to the pope/church on this. No deviations allowed. Ya'll are the Borg on these matters.

36 posted on 01/15/2015 12:32:35 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Campion

It was really bizarre. As in I had to look to my bride and make sure I hadn’t drank from the wrong egg nog.


37 posted on 01/15/2015 1:23:21 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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